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Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« on: Sunday 04 October 15 14:15 BST (UK) »
found a family member in Anglesey in various Census records.
in the 1871 & 1881 Census. The Address is. Plas Uchaf, Llanfair Mathafarn Eithaf,
in the 1891 Census, The Address is, Plas Uchaf, Llandudno, Llanfair Mathafarn Eithaf,
in google map Llandudno is in Conwy not Anglesey. ??.
tried to google the name Plas Uchaf and l get Plas Uchaf Cottages Nebo, Isle of Anglesey.
the 1871 census address is
http://interactive.ancestry.com.au/7618/AGYRG10_5740_5743-0242/3643268

any help with exactly this place is would be welcomed.
cheers
steve
O'Brien, Curley, Albiston, Clarke, Craddock, Hydon, Roberts,
Dunn, McKerral, McIlrevie, McGrath, Frewin,

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 October 15 14:27 BST (UK) »
You are correct that LLandudno is nowhere near Llanfair Mathafarn Eithaf, which is definitely on Anglesey - so I'd go with that.

Think I've managed to work out which family you're looking (Thomas Roberts et al?) and reckon this is a mistake of indexing/transcription somewhere - the image of the census entry doesn't have a town name recorded, so it's somehow been added in incorrectly. Ancestry has a whole load of BMD records for Caernarfon and Bangor down as Anglesey for some reason as well.

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 October 15 15:03 BST (UK) »
thank you.
just found thomas in the 1901 & 1911 census in Tyn-y-Gongl
O'Brien, Curley, Albiston, Clarke, Craddock, Hydon, Roberts,
Dunn, McKerral, McIlrevie, McGrath, Frewin,

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 October 15 15:09 BST (UK) »
Have a look at page one of the various censuses where you will see a description of the enumeration district. This might help you narrow it down.

A more time consuming way of doing it is to get yourself an old map, a modern map and go through the census addresses (I generally write these down in order) looking at the neighbours until you find a landmark which still exists today.

Cross reference this with old and new map location. Sometimes using this method you can work out the approximate location of an address.

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 October 15 15:15 BST (UK) »
yep, had the same idea, getting a rough idea of the area now,
thanks.
O'Brien, Curley, Albiston, Clarke, Craddock, Hydon, Roberts,
Dunn, McKerral, McIlrevie, McGrath, Frewin,

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 October 15 15:22 BST (UK) »
Here it is:

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=17&lat=53.3265&lon=-4.2378&layers=171&right=BingHyb

You can scroll around the map (drag and drop) and zoom in and out using your mouse wheel.

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 October 15 15:38 BST (UK) »
Tyn y Gongl farm is SE of Plas Uchaf, near where Stad Minnffordd is today. Just follow the road SE from Plas Uchaf and you will find it marked on the old map I provided a link to. Sadly it appears to be under a modern housing estate though I think there are still some older buildings on the corner. (unsure if they are the original dwellings).

If you put your cursor over anything you wish to compare - old and new, you will see it mirrored on both maps, which is handy at times like this so you can find exact locations of streets and buildings.

I think if you look on Google street view you can see the entrance to Plas Uchaf. I haven't checked Tyn y Gongl yet (my computer is playing up  >:().

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 October 15 15:50 BST (UK) »
Not sure I can see Gongl in that census snip. The word looks like it starts with P and has a couple of lls in it  followed by another word starting with Ba (Back?) ....  :-\

Adde:. I have just found Tyn y Gongl slightly west of Tyn y Gongl farm - it actually ends up being located directly south of Plas Uchaf.

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Re: Help with place name in Llanfair Mathefarn Eithaf
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 October 15 16:33 BST (UK) »
It says, "Ty'n Y Pwll Bach"  ...  there may be a house close by named "Ty'n Y Pwll" The first means either 'the house by the small pool' or 'The small house by the pool'.
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