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Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« on: Tuesday 20 October 15 13:49 BST (UK) »
I am new to Irish records so please bear with me.

I have a family member who marries in Staffordshire in 1895
Her name was Elizabeth Loffill b 1866
She married James Enoch Bentley. b. 1868
Banns were also read in Cornwall for the marriage as he is stationed on HMS Cambridge at the time.
I cannot locate the family in Staffordshire or Cornwall (or mainland UK) in 1901 or 1911.

His service record suggests that he was in Ireland at the time of 1901 and 1911 census in England and Wales.
James Enoch Bentley died in 1959 (Derbyshire) and probate was granted to Harry Bentley

I located an entry in 1911 Ireland Census in Down/Mullartown/Moneydorragh More which showed a family
James Bentley 42
Elizabeth 40
James 12
Ada 9
Harry 8
with all children born Donegal

I did a websearch and found a site showing Coastguard births and baptisms for Donegal which gave the following

James Enoch Bentley born 3 Oct 1898, Kinnegar
Ida Elizabeth Bentley born 27 May 1901, Teelin
Harry Bentley born 10 Jul 1903, Teelin
Father is given as James Enoch Bentley. Mother is Elizabeth.
But maiden name is given as Gray (as is another Elizabeth on the page).

I was wondering where I could look to find records of birth which could help confirm that these are the individuals I am looking for (MMN Loffill).

Thank you in advance

Jones, Davies, Evans, Williams, Daniel, Thomas - Glamorgan
Keen, Goodwin, Pyatt, Leese, Bailey, Loffill, Stubley, Brassington, Blurton,  - Staffs

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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 October 15 14:29 BST (UK) »
Irish births for that period are not available to view online so you'd need to get the birth certificates to see full details.

Here's the family you found in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Mullartown/Moneydorragh_More/244613

This might be Elizabeth & son 'James' in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Glencolmbkille/Rinnakille/1175756
Note about husband James E. Bentley-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000659961/
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 October 15 14:34 BST (UK) »
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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 October 15 14:36 BST (UK) »
Irishgenealogy.ie, Civil Records, shows the following births:

Ada Bentley
DoB 27th May 1901
SR District/Reg Area - Glenties
Mother's Birth Surname: Loffill


James Bently
DoB 1898
SR District/Reg Area - Glenties
Mother's Birth Surname: not recorded


Harry Bentley
DoB 10th July 1902
SR District/Reg Area - Glenties
Mother's Birth Surname: Toffill
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)


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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 October 15 14:46 BST (UK) »
There is a Coastguards database held on GenUKI: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards

From there:

Bentley, James
Born: England 1869
Located: 1911, at Annalong, Co. Down
Wife: Elizabeth, 1871, England
Children: James & Ada & Harry, 1899 & 1902 & 1903, all Co Donegal, IRL
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 October 15 20:34 BST (UK) »
aghadowey - yes that was where I saw the information on the children.
Thanks for the possible 1901 - worth a look

KGarrad - thanks for the birth info and the link. Looks like the family could be the right one. I have found that Loffill is quite often transcribed as being with a T. Probably the style of handwriting.

Thanks both for your time and help.
Jones, Davies, Evans, Williams, Daniel, Thomas - Glamorgan
Keen, Goodwin, Pyatt, Leese, Bailey, Loffill, Stubley, Brassington, Blurton,  - Staffs

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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 04:42 BST (UK) »
RootsIreland has the transcribed civil birth records, MMN in all three is Loffill, it's a subscription site should you wish to view the record content. 

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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 07:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you.
Jones, Davies, Evans, Williams, Daniel, Thomas - Glamorgan
Keen, Goodwin, Pyatt, Leese, Bailey, Loffill, Stubley, Brassington, Blurton,  - Staffs

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Re: Ireland births - possible sources for confirmation of mothers maiden name
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 15:44 BST (UK) »
You might care to look at Bentley's CG record in ADM 175/82, pdfs 353 & 354, this gives his and his wifes place of birth as Longton, Staffs, but still no maiden name I'm afraid. This can be downloaded for free from the National Archives website, but be warned it's a large file.

Martin