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PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« on: Wednesday 21 October 15 00:44 BST (UK) »
It is my understanding that the church records for the Parish of Tydavnet, Monaghan are held both at PRONI in Belfast and somewhere in Co. Monaghan. My question is would both these records be the exact same, or would one area have more entries then the other.  I only want to view the Church of Ireland records for the Parish of Tydavnet, so I'm not sure where I should go to get the best chance of discovering more about my ancestors.  My time in Ireland will be limited, therefore trying to plan this trip. Also if Co. Monaghan would be better to visit for my research, where exactly in Monaghan, would these records be kept.  My ancestors were from Tullygony and Rafeenan. Any advice will be appreciated. :)

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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 12:14 BST (UK) »
Hi There

rootsireland is an online sub site that has some Monaghan records.

http://www.rootsireland.ie/monaghan/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources

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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 16:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tara, but already checked Rootsireland and at the moment they do not have any Church of Ireland records for the Parish of Tydavnet, Monaghan.

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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 17:10 BST (UK) »
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend


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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 17:15 BST (UK) »
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 20:57 BST (UK) »
Do you have a particular period to search?
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 21:23 BST (UK) »
My period to search is from 1800 when I believe my 3x Great Grandfather was born and then continue as far as I can go through the 1800's so I can try and find out the usual birth, marriage and death dates for his 6 children (one being my 2 x Great Grandfather).

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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 November 15 14:03 GMT (UK) »
TEDAVNET, CO. MONAGHAN details
Tedavnet sits on the NW corner of Monaghan civil parish itself

from PRONI online church records guide
C.I. Tydavnet (Clogher diocese)
Baptisms, 1822-98;
marriages, 1822-1950;
burials, 1822-1906.
Baptisms, 1898-;
vestry minute books (dates unknown);
preachers’ books, 1858-.
MIC1/246   {who and when made the microfilm eg PRONI or Familysearch.org?}
In local custody
That phrase in local custody means in the church itself  or its vicarage, in my experience it does not mean the same records, the only way to be certain is the local church contact
 Church Background
Name:   Unknown Architect
Building:   Co. Monaghan, Bellanode, Church of St Davnet (Ci, Tydavnet Parish)
Date:   1754p;1830
Nature:   New church.  'An Order in Coucil for removing the site of the Parish Church [from Tydavnet to Bellanode] is dated Nov. 15, 1754.  The Church was enlarged in 1830 at a cost of £471...'  (Leslie).
Refs:    J.B. Leslie, Clogher Clergy and Parishes  (1929), 257;  illus. in Clergy of Clogher  (Ulster Historical Foundation, 2006), 94. see http://www.dia.ie/works/view/61342/building/CO.+MONAGHAN,+BELLANODE,+CHURCH+OF+ST+DAVNET+(CI,+TYDAVNET+PARISH)which has two more entries

So The church got rebuilt in Bellanode probably now spelt Ballinode
heres a picture of the church
https://www.flickr.com/photos/garymcmurray/5882015913
last thought , could any records exist in C of I hdgs Dublin


its not clear to me what you know about family your family from Tullygony [also spelt Tullygoney] and Rafeenan
I looked at
1796   http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/monaghan.php
Graham             James               Tedavnet             
Graham             Richard             Tedavnet
Graham             Samuel              Tedavnet             
Graham             Thomas              Tedavnet             
Graham             William             Tedavnet             
no martins found, so next was
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalardavnetchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=graham&firstname=&county=Monaghan&parish=Tedavnet+&townland=&search=Search these could be relatives
Graham   Sam   Killygreen   Tedavnet   Monaghan   1826
Graham      Sheetrim   Tedavnet   Monaghan   1826
no martins found, so next search was
Griffiths valuation 1860 see Thomas Graham in the civil parish
TULLYGONY      Map Reference   3
the others are
ANNYERK                     Map Reference            6
TULLYGONY      Map Reference   3
KILMORE, EAST     Map Reference   2 another Martin stronghold, over to you
DRUMBIER       Map Reference   3
however my computer is not behaving today, I looked up http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation and can get the detail page for Thomas Graham the map shows 2 homsteads one 3a and the other 3B, one is each side of the R186 road above just above the intersection withL10201 the homestead is close to this view https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.2858467,-7.0210065,3a,75y,273.7h,80.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0MmSQaGxi5MfDb7BPfS9PA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
However I cannot get the original page entry today its ‘The record you clicked is 39 lines from the top. When you have finished, use the close button at the top right to close this popup area. I have run out of time do please if you haven’t already look this up it will describe how large the properties are, and the house valuation may tell you something Howver to get an image of ones homestead is worth patience galore and then to study that on google satellite or streetscene gets to you.

I also checked without success http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-new-tednavet/target1.html

I assume you checked the irish census 1901 and 1911 for   Graham and millar/miller  living in Tedavnet

Have you contacted Tydavnet Historical Society eg Twitter https://twitter.com/TydavnetHisSoc or email tydavnethistsoc@gmail.com.


However next search needs to be for  when relatives lived in Rafeenan
as I finish i spot your current Graham contribution
So hopefully something was new for you
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Re: PRONI Records vs. Records in Local Custody
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 November 15 15:27 GMT (UK) »
If I'm not mistaken then these are Elizabeth3's Martins.... you could do worse than read her posts even if she hasn't been online for a long time!!

Plus a Search on Co Monaghan on Rootschat for Martin and Graham could be revealing !!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38712
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