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Global trotting family but cant see them on any passenger lists
« on: Tuesday 27 October 15 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Was trying to fill in a few details on a person appearing in my tree (in laws of in laws so not a true relation!) when I noticed something that make me take more interest.

Gertrude Mary Bastin was born in 1962 in Staffordshire.
Staffordshirebmd has a birth with a mothers maiden name of Cornish (in 1862) and 2 possible siblings
- Charles Edward Bastin born 1861
- Frederick John Bastin born 1864
The next time I can find her is 1881 census in Staffordshire with her parents John and Mary and siblings
Catherine
Hannah
John
Emma
Ethel
The youngest Ethel being born in Stoke Newington, Middlesex and the other 4 in Adelaide, Australia.

Ancestry has birth records for the 4 children in Adelaide, Australia, the children of John Bastin and Mary Cornish.
There are also 2 others (with deaths as infants)
John Francis Bastin b. 1870
Agnes Ellen Bastin b. 1871
But I cant find any record of the family travelling to or from Australia

They must have left the UK between 1864 and 1869 (Between Frederick birth in UK and Catherine in Australia in 1869) and returned between 1875 and 1879 (Emma born in Australia and Ethel in UK)

In addition to Australia, the mother Mary and daughters Hannah, Ethel and Emma are in Staffordshire in 1891 (no sign of John but see is still listed as married), but the next possible record is in Canada in 1901 for Mary, Emma and Ethel. Again cant see any travelling records.

Summary
Looking for
- Travel to Australia between 1864-1869
- Travel from Australia between 1875-1879
- Travel to Canada between 1891-1901

Hope someone can help
Thanks in advance

Jones, Davies, Evans, Williams, Daniel, Thomas - Glamorgan
Keen, Goodwin, Pyatt, Leese, Bailey, Loffill, Stubley, Brassington, Blurton,  - Staffs

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Re: Global trotting family but cant see them on any passenger lists
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 18:52 GMT (UK) »
The problem with the Australian records is that most passenger lists don't start until after 1890.

http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/passenger-lists-immigration-emigration-including-scotland-and-ireland/83/
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 19:07 GMT (UK) »
This is a possible for their passage to Canada

M Bastin  wife. 59
C Bastin   servant  25
E Bastin    servant  15
E Bastin    Lab.       20

Travelling to Winnepeg on board The Vancouver.
Arrived at Halifax Nova Scotia 1st March 1894.
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Just found an on line tree that has:

Ethel Bastin born 23 May 1878 Stoke Newington died 8th August 1957 Vancouver

Emma Eliza Bastin died 23 March 1952, Mount Forest, Ontario

Charles born 8 Jan 1861, Hanley, Staffs died 14 Feb 1950 Vancouver

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Ethel Bastin Hopkins - Hatley Memorial Gardens+, Colwood Cemetery Vancouver Island Region, British Columbia.

http://www.canadianheadstones.com/bc/view.php?id=9922

Husband Thomas J Hopkins - 31 July 1873 - 2 Jan 1951

also listed on FIND A GRAVE

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=125808796

Son  - Walter Charles Hopkins 1911 - 1964

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=147978459

Wife - Laura Phillips Hopkins 1915 - 2005

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=147982444

Children - 

Phyllis Irma Hopkins Wansbrough 1937 - 2009

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=151179707

Ronald Walter Hopkins 1941 - 1943

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=147982762

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 20:14 GMT (UK) »
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Death Cert Charles Edward Bastin- 14 February 1950 - widowed - maiden name of wife Mary Flanagan. Signature of informant was his son of the same name.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL5D-N6F

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Death Cert for Charles Howden Bastin born in Manitoba 22 September 1888 - son of Charles Edward Bastin and Mary Flanagan - medical doctor - passed away 21 February 1966 - widowed. maiden name of wife Dora Elizabeth Simmons.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22charles%20edward%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Abastin~%20%2Bdeath_place%3A%22vancouver%20british%20columbia%22~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1950-1950~

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 October 15 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Death Cert for Dora Elizabeth Bastin nee Simmons - wife of Charles Howden Bastin - 11 March 1950 - burial Mountain View Cemetery

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLR4-SWB

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