GEARY NSW

[majm]

1837 Convict Muster, NSW.
Edward GEARY, aged 19, per Westmoreland 1832, assigned to William BOWMAN, Maneroo.  (Maneroo = Monaro)

http://www.monaropioneers.com/convicts/muster1837a.htm#G

Cheers,  JM

[Ruskie]

  What wonderful information has been found! Thank you very much to JM, Raylen, Sue and Wivenhoe.

It is all fitting together very nicely. Dust/Duist (makes good sense), as does Geary/Garey. 

Wivenhoe, no I don't have the 1874 marriage certificate I'm afraid.

And another convicted criminal (number three for this family I am researching). 

Now to properly digest all of this information.  Thanks again to you all - you have given me so much more than expected.

[Ruskie]

Would you expect to see parent's names on an 1848 NSW marriage certificate?

[wivenhoe]

SMH 16 Feb 1858
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13006329?
Mrs Agnes GEARY.......of the Wheatsheaf Inn......W M BROWN 

98/1858  BROWN William m. GEARY Agnes                  Sydney   (Feb 1858)

Evening News 26 Aug 1885
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/111022515?
divorce for this couple.......married Feb 1868...was a widow with five children....adultery and cruelty....Ellen CAMERON...

[Ruskie]

Ah ha, Thanks Wivenhoe!  Great finds.

Last night at about midnight I discovered that Agnes had remarried to Mr Brown after the death of Edward Geary. The address of Wheatsheaf Inn tallies with Sue's reply at #5 as the address of Edward Geary when he died. 

I also woke up this morning (after nowhere near enough sleep) thinking about Edward's lowly and criminal past and wondering if there is any way to find some extra snippet that proves that we have the right Edward Geary? I know that the year of birth tallies, but I had a moment of doubt when I realised what different worlds Matilda Annie and her husband Wilby must have come from. I suppose it is possible that Edward turned his life around, was successful and perhaps didn't tell anyone about his past. Still, I would like something extra to prove that my Edward and convict Edward were one and the same.

Can anyone think of how I might do this? 

[rosball]

There is a probate packet at NSW state records for Edward Dust also known as Edwin Geary who died 9 Dec 1855.
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\306501

I can photograph this for you the next time I am there

cheers,
   Ros

[majm]

Would you expect to see parent's names on an 1848 NSW marriage certificate?

Hit and miss, so to write.   
 
If either party is under 21 years, then you expect to see name and relationship of person giving consent.

Images of NSW C of E marriages from that era are found via RChat's NSW Resources Board and live links to Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle parish registers (earliest from about 1820, and continuing into 20th Century too). 

Here:   
Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/ 1820 – 1899 Family Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605008173551/ 1826 – 1837 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157604433014652/ 1837 – 1838 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ 1839 – 1861 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605674610949/ 1856 – 1868 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605785759029/ 1869 – 1885 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605802132868/ 1885 – 1897 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606197590347/ 1899 – 1913 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605928662968/ 1913 – 1914 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606308436455/ 1914 – 1916 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606323070651/ 1916 – 1918 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606450662513/ 1918 – 1929 Marriage Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606952230042/ 1929 – 1936 Marriages Register

ADD, On several of my ancestors 1840s NSW marriage certs, you can see where the Rev'd has recorded their age (often in white space to the left where they would sign).     On the Newcastle images you can see where the Rev'd there has sometimes recorded the age, and sometimes the ship of arrival too.    Usually this is where either bride or groom is still serving a sentence, and so the register would also record "with permission of the Governor".      Sometimes the age is recorded even when both are over 21, and both were born in the colony.   There was no auditor/regulator checking that the clergy of each denomination all recorded same depth of information as each other, (or even if same clergyman was consistent in what he recorded).....  hence my Hit and miss expression....  .   The C of E Family sheet register is an alternative, however, these are not as well conserved, and many simply have been lost over the decades.....  And, not all denominations had a similar "cheat sheet" option for their clergy even for those on rural circuits. 

Cheers,  JM

[Ruskie]

ooh thank you JM! Both parties were well past the age of 21.
Investigating your links now. 

Ros, many thanks for the kind offer to photograph the probate packet. If it is not too much of an imposition I would be grateful if you could please take a look at it to see if there are any clues as to his place of birth or other evidence that may indicate that this Edward was the convict Edward Geary. The finer points are not really required.

Is it odd that he is also known by his wife's surname Dust? 

Looking at similar era marriages, it's not looking too promising regarding additional information (and clues as to Edward's origins) ...

[majm]

Not odd that different surnames used.   It depends on who recorded the info and how it was obtained, and what question was asked to obtain it.

Almost all info collected in the 19th century by NSW officialdom was recorded by the person asking the questions, rather than by the informant.    So there can be plenty of apparent flaws where for example if the question asked was :
"Who is THY father" the respondent hears this as "Who is THE father" ..... particularly interesting when the informant is registering the birth of a child .....  (or even worse "who is THY/THE mother ! for a NSW birth registration ...... I say no more  )

Thy v The can be complicated further by the accents of the questioner and the informant     and the Thy v The confusion existed in rural NSW at least, well into the 1950s and 1960s ....  particularly so where Grandparents lived with baby boomer babies.     

Cheers,  JM  PS I added to the earlier post.