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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 November 15 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Could this be James c 1843 in 1851 Census?

1851 Census
Walcot, Somerset
HO107/1943/91/17
James Stone, 68, Head, Mar, Butcher
Maria Stone, 40, Wife, Mar
Mary Stone, 36, Daug, Unm, Milliner
William Stone, 33, Son, Unm, Butcher
Eliza Stone,36 Daug, Unm, Milliner
JAMES Stone, 7, Grandson, Visitor, born Bedminster; Bristol****
Frederick Stone, 3, Boarder, Visitor

Maria must be a second Wife.

Baptisms;
St James, Bath;
JAMES, 20 July 1806
St Michael, Bath;
MARIA, 9 Sept 1810
MARY, 27 Feb 1814, abode Wlacot St, Fathers occp Butcher
Walcot - St Mary's Chapel, Bath
JOSEPH, 11 Feb 1816
WILLIAM, 1 June 1817
ELIZA, 14 March 1819
FANNY, 20 July 1820
GEORGE, 28 July 1822
All to JAMES/MARY Stone
Last 5 have extra info; abode Kingsmead St, Fathers Occp Butcher

1841 we have in Kingsmead St;
James Stone, 55, Butcher
William Stone, 20
Eliza Stone, 20

Frederick from 1851 Census may be;
Frederick George Stone Son of GEORGE/ELLEN Christened 2 April 1848
Weston, Somerset

Not positive about this but worth noting


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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 November 15 15:18 GMT (UK) »
With regard to George Fry who Eliza Maria is staying with in 1851 it is likely he is her Uncle;

1861/1871 his is born c 1805/1806 Wells

GEORGE Fry Christened 27 Aug 1805, St. Cuthbert's, Wells, Somerset
Parents JOHN/JANE
+*** JANE Fry to same Parents, same Church, 15 Sept 1811
Others;
HENRY 1806
FREDERICK 1809
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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 November 15 22:07 GMT (UK) »

Maria must be a second Wife.


I think it's quite likely she's the daughter born in 1810 and the "Wife" is a mistake by the enumarator.

David

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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 07 November 15 07:45 GMT (UK) »
Blimey... Righto, Im not sure where to start!  Firstly THANKYOU.

To Heywood. Yes you are correct with the 1861 census and the 1851 census.  FRY are her Uncle and Aunt.

To Trish.  That is definitely James and Jane's marriage that I couldn't find and also Henry's baptism that I couldn't find.  Trish, I'm fairly confident that your work is actually spot on.  The correct trade, ages, and even names (All of Henry STONES' b.1836 children's names are the same as his Uncles and Aunts).

To David.  You're prob correct about Maria.  Totally fits the Baptisms that Trish found.

Has anyone noticed the Death of James STONE b.1806 between 1842 - 1851?

I'm assuming you're all in the UK, if there is anything you need from Australia, let me know.

Regards, Steven.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 November 15 12:15 GMT (UK) »

Has anyone noticed the Death of James STONE b.1806 between 1842 - 1851?


There are of course lots of James Stones who died in that period, but the one registered in the first quarter of 1851 in Bedminster looks a very good bet. Not only is it the only one in the right area but the date also fits well. The way all the children except the eldest are scattered in the 1851 census could be because they were sent to stay with relatives during their father's last illness or after his death.

As I said in one of your other threads, I'm related to the Wells FRY family, through one of Jane's cousins. I have a tree on Ancestry with quite a lot about them. If you haven't already found it PM me your username and I'll send you an invitation. (Hartley family tree)

Unlike Jane's branch, my branch did not move to the Bath area in the 19th century, but my mother did and I live near Bath now. I have another tree exploring various families that lived in my home village and nearby. It includes a few STONEs, including the elder James Stone's parents, Abraham and Mary.  James died in 1862 and can be found in the 1861 census - Ancestry has the surname as Stane again. There he gives his birthplace as Swainswick, confirming the link. (Woolley families)

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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 08 November 15 06:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi David,
Yes I think you are correct;
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"think it's quite likely she's the daughter born in 1810 and the "Wife" is a mistake by the enumarator."

Hi Steven,
I'm in Sydney :)

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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 08 November 15 07:31 GMT (UK) »
Any thoughts on this Frederick STONE bc1848 in Weston who keeps on appearing on census living with his grandfather?!  Why would he be living with his grandfather when his parents are alive with other children? OR is this another Frederick, illegitimate son of Eliza STONE, both born at Weston, Bath?!

Regards as usual, Steven.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
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HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 November 15 07:51 GMT (UK) »
Its not unusual for Children to live/be with their Grandparents on Census. Usually for economic reasons or to help look after the Grandparents.

As to the other Frederick I will have to look for him.
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Re: 1841 lookup please - I cant find it!
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 08 November 15 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I think I'm being cryptic!  Maybe this Frederick IS the illegitimate son of Eliza (just a thought) because it seems they are nearly always together with his grandfather and her father. OR I could be over thinking it.

Steven
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England