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Offline whiteout7

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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 November 15 07:55 GMT (UK) »
Sandyjose do you have this from Derek Beatties site, listing a lot of Newtonards Belshaws?

http://www.newtownards.info/family-belshaw.htm
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 November 15 08:07 GMT (UK) »
You havent admitted where your earlier knowledge is coming from ? Focusing on Lurgan, Shankill civil parish  Co armagh Lurgan, which also appears to be used as a district ie a greater lurgan ie neighbouring parishes possibly
1833 The Belshaws in Lurgan, Shankill civil parish in  Tithes Applotment Books  http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/armagh/tithe-applotments/shankill-parish.php#.VlYRDUvBEYU
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Belshaw, Mrs.    Townland: Lurgan Town Year: 1833
Belshaw, John   Townland: Tabberhewney Year: 1833
Belshaw, Mary   Townland: Tabberhewney Year: 1833
Belshaw, William   Townland: Clanrolla Year: 1833
Belshaw, Wm.   Townland: Tanaghmore North Year: 1833 
in Newtownhamilton and other Co Armagh parishes heres one example
Belshaw, James - Townland: Tullyvallon Hamilton Year: 1830

1846 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com   
Francis XXXXX marries Sarah BELSHAW Lurgan   Armagh

1854 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com   
William Belshaw marries Jane XXXXXX  Lurgan   Armagh

1857 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com   
Benjamin Belshaw marries Anne e XXXXXX  Lurgan   Armagh


1864 Griffiths valuation see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation
Belshaw   John   Tullyvallan   Newtownhamilton   Armagh
Belshaw   Jane   Tullyvallan   Newtownhamilton   Armagh
Belshaw   Samuel   Cavanacaw   Lisnadill   Armagh

1881 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com   
Andrew James XXXXX  marries Margaret Belshaw  Lurgan   Armagh

1900 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com   
James Kernaghan Belshaw marries Lizzie  XXX  Lurgan   Armagh

1901 Irish census for Co ArmaghI note one or two onto the 1911 results

1911 Irish census for Co Armagh the homesteads consisted
29 in Avenue Road (Lurgan Urban, Armagh)
Belshaw William 49 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Down Damask Weaver Read and write - Single  [But in 1901 he didn’t exist in Co Armagh, I think he came from Newtownards]

1 in Carrickaness (Glenaul, Armagh)
9 in Edenaveys (Killeen, Armagh)
72 in Tullyvallan (Newtownhamilton, Armagh)
107 in Tullyvallan (Newtownhamilton, Armagh
24.1 in Abbey Street (Armagh North Urban, Armagh)

other websites
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/ has 9 Belshaw entries in their search engine
one of which has ‘Otto ‘replying with  two facts one of which is
Civil Marriage 6th July 1881 Andrew James Burnett to Margret Belshaw at Lurgan Civil Registrars Office in the Parish of Shankill Lurgan County   Armagh.

PRONI has wills
William Belshaw Grant :    9 February 1898  Administration of the estate of William Belshaw late of 75 Avenue-road Lurgan County Armagh Damask Weaver .. granted at Armagh to Robert Belshaw of 122 Melody-road Wandsworth Common London S.W. Inland Revenue Officer the Son.

William Belshaw    Date of Grant :    16 August 1939
Belshaw William of Avenue Road Lurgan county Armagh damask weaver died 15 January 1939 Administration (limited) Belfast 16 August to Alexander Minnis bank manager. Effects £407 3s. 3d.

www.lurganancestry.com fohas some births and parents
Heather asks www.lurganancestry.com
JAMES BELSHAW, JONATHAN BLACK, HUGH HALL COCHRAN, and MATTHEW WELLS.
They were all Watch and Clockmakers in MAIN STREET, Lurgan in 1840.

‘Colin’ appears to have a family tree containing several Belshaws in Co Armaghin the 1860s his interest is in Mary Jane and Lucinda in Castleblaney Co Armagh http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/
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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 November 15 18:07 GMT (UK) »
  Thanks for all the records.How I discovered John Belshaw,1807-1868,I was looking for his daughter Jane's marriage.On the entry on Family Search and Ancestry it gives Jane's father as John. The marriage was 1866 in Newtownards. Going back I found that John's wife was Fanny McRobert 1817-1868.
  I was able to find some of Fanny's family but not John's. John was a weaver but who his father was or what he did I've no idea. The John from Co Armagh seems a likely match.
  A while back I was in touch with someone who also had a Jane Belshaw in their tree but their family came from Antrim and had a Richard which I don't have.
  I hope some of this helps.

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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 November 15 19:45 GMT (UK) »
I'm still wondering about the way you've traced back your Belshaws  :-\

What's listed for Jane's residence and her father's occupation on the marriage certificate? Do names of witnesses help connect to other relatives?
How did you establish that John Belshaw's wife was Fanny McRobert?
Why is the John from Armagh a 'likely match'? is it because there seems to be a link there or merely you've chosen him as the best possible match?
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 26 November 15 22:16 GMT (UK) »
 I don't have a copy of Jane Belshaw's marriage certificate only the record I found on Family Search and Ancestry.It gives John Belshaw as Jane's father and Joseph McMillan as James' father.I don't know who the witness were.
  I remember my dad mentioning the name Belshaw,McMillan was his middle name after his mother Janet McMillan.I know that I'm right back to John,it's beyond that I'm lost.Maybe John Belshaw's father was James?

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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #14 on: Friday 27 November 15 09:05 GMT (UK) »
You really do need to have a look at Jane's marriage certificate as that seems to be the basis of your searching further back. It may, or may not, say her father was deceased. It may give you a residence to investigate further in valuation records, etc, It will give you the location of the marriage and names of 2 witnesses. You can view it on GRONI's website after purchasing a few credits.
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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #15 on: Friday 27 November 15 18:02 GMT (UK) »
 Ok,I'll look on Groni. according to my records Jane's parents both died in 1868,so they were both alive when she married. Re Derek Beatie ,I was told that he just copies records from other sites,ie Ros Davis,he doesn't even live in Ireland.
 I was told that it's cheaper to get certificates from Roscommon,how do I do that?
   Thanks for your help

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 27 November 15 18:23 GMT (UK) »
 Another thought is about christian names and how they are repeated in families.John and Fanny had 2 sons named John.The first one died,the second married an Anna Smyth.They had about 10 children,there was a John 1867,William 1862,Alax 1861,Ruben John 1875,James 1876 and Hugh 1884
They also had a son Hugh McRobert Belshaw 1850
  Jane and James had 2 sons,William 1872 and Hugh abt 1952.It could be that John Belshaw's father was a John,Hugh,William or James going on the christian names that came after him.

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Re: Belshaw
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 29 November 15 08:45 GMT (UK) »
sandyjose, you disappoint me, I quote "Re Derek Beatie, I was told that he just copies records from other sites,ie Ros Davis,he doesn't even live in Ireland." What an astonishing thing to repeat about someone who has placed his work on the people associated with a location Newtownards online. His website shows his many other interests.  He is to be encouraged and he seeks improvement himself so I hope he continues his researches on Newtownards and the two other places he is interested in and gets better at it all the time. You owe him an apology, and at least spell his name right.  I found several bits of information on his website I had not picked up from elsewhere .
As to where he lives, that thought has never occurred to me, and I have been in direct communication with him for a year. Really that disappoints me, Ros Davies has lived In Australia all her married life, Raymond of Raymond's Co Down website  lives in Scotland, Bill McCartney, a strong contributor has lived in Canada for many years, as I have in England, Aghadowey can speak for herself.
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