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George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« on: Friday 06 November 15 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Looking for the above in census records.  They married June 1807 Old Meldrum Aberdeenshire. I know they had a daughter called Helen who married Alexander Walker

Any help much appreciated

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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 November 15 23:07 GMT (UK) »
If they married in Aberdeen - what is the connection to Forfar?
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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 November 15 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Have you not tried http://www.freecen.org.uk/ ? A George Gordon and Rachel Gordon of roughly the right age are listed at an address in Newhills in 1841.

They don't appear to have any connections to Angus/Forfarshire.
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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 November 15 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,

Scotlandspeople has a death for a Rachel Gordon(other surname Wedderburn) 1862 Old Meldrum , Aberdeen(shire) born c1785.

I'll move this topic to Aberdeenshire.



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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 07 November 15 17:31 GMT (UK) »
Going by the information from Ev This looks like them in the 1841 census
Address Woodmick Old Meldrum living with Willman Hay ( would think it might be William ) age 32 Gamekeeper also Margaret Hay 18. Margaret Hay 2
George Gordon b 1876 Aberdeenshire farmer
Ratchel ( Rachel ) b 1876 Aberdeenshire
Ann Gordon b 1826 ..Sarah Marison b 1834

1851 census Rachel Gordon b 1785 Meldrum For ( Farmers Wife ) address Bog Road Old Meldrum

1861 Census address Old Porters Lodge Meldrum
John Clark b 1833 Fyvie  Gentleman & Gardener
Ann Clark ( Gordon ) b 1828 Meldrum
Ann G Clark b 1859 Meldrum
Rachel Gordon age 76 Farmers Widow

death for Rachel Gordon 30/12/1861 at Old Porters Lodge Meldrum
registered by son George Gordon ..Information from death certificate online tree
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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 November 15 22:32 GMT (UK) »
This looks like them in the 1841 census
George Gordon b 1876 Aberdeenshire farmer
Ratchel ( Rachel ) b 1876 Aberdeenshire
Ann Gordon b 1826 ..Sarah Marison b 1834

1851 census Rachel Gordon b 1785 Meldrum For ( Farmers Wife ) address Bog Road Old Meldrum

1861 Census address Old Porters Lodge Meldrum
John Clark b 1833 Fyvie  Gentleman & Gardener
Ann Clark ( Gordon ) b 1828 Meldrum
Ann G Clark b 1859 Meldrum
Rachel Gordon age 76 Farmers Widow

The census never gives a date of birth. It tells you the age people said they were on the date of the census, and in 1841 this was supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years. So if you ever come across a census that purports to give dates of birth, you can be 100% certain that it's a transcription, not an original, and that you need to check the original for accuracy.

According to FreeCEN the George Gordon and Rachel Gordon in the 1841 census in Newhills are both said to be aged 50, which means born between 1786 and 1791. George Gordon and Ratchel Gordon in Hardmuick, Old Meldrum, are both said to be 55, which means born between 1781 and 1786. FreeCen doesn't list either pair as being in the household of anyone else - in both cases George Gordon is the first name in the household. The ones at Hardmuick, Old Meldrum (not Woodmick) have Barbra Gordon, 25, and Ann Gordon, 15, and Sarah Murison, 7, in the same household, and William, Margret and Margret Hay in a separate household at Hardmuick. The ones at Sheddocksley, Newhills have a Jane Gordon, also 50, and some servants.

As whichever census transcription rosie17 is using and the FreeCEN transcription do not agree with one another, you cannot rely on either - you really have to look at the originals on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and make up your own mind what the original actually says.
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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 November 15 00:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello Forfarian,
     I think the 1841 Census transcrition is from A*try which gives age and estimated birth year.
     Transcription is:  Woodmick, Old Meldrum.
          Willman  Hay      32  b about 1809.
          Margaret  "        18  b      "    1823.
          Margaret  "          2  b      "    1839.
          George Gordon  55  b      "    1786.
          Ratchel     "        55  b      "    1786.
          Barbara    "         25  b      "    1816.
          Ann          "         15  b      "     1826.
          Sarah Marison       7  b      "     1834.
     All born Aberdeenshire.
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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 November 15 11:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello Forfarian,
     I think the 1841 Census transcrition is from A*try which gives age and estimated birth year.
     Transcription is:  Woodmick, Old Meldrum.
          Willman  Hay      32  b about 1809.
          Margaret  "        18  b      "    1823.
          Margaret  "          2  b      "    1839.
          George Gordon  55  b      "    1786.
          Ratchel     "        55  b      "    1786.
          Barbara    "         25  b      "    1816.
          Ann          "         15  b      "     1826.
          Sarah Marison       7  b      "     1834.
     All born Aberdeenshire.
               Regards,     Dod.

Aye, right. FreeCEN interprets it as two different households, both at Hardmuick, Old Meldrum:

First household
HAY William       M       39       Gamekeeper        Aberdeenshire           
HAY Margret       F       18               Aberdeenshire           
HAY Margret       F       2               Aberdeenshire

Second household
GORDON George   M       55       Farmer        Aberdeenshire           
GORDON Ratchel   F       55               Aberdeenshire           
GORDON Barbra       F       25               Aberdeenshire           
GORDON Ann       F       15               Aberdeenshire           
MURISON Sarah       F       7               Aberdeenshire   

Quite a lot of differences, aren't there? First, A*******y gives supposed years of birth, which are NOT in the original census. Then the place name is different. The first name and age of Mr Hay. The spelling of Mrs and Miss Hay's first name. The spelling of the elder Miss Gordon's given name. Sarah's surname.

If Amandar is going to get her research right, she has to check the original on Scotland's People. I know which one my money would be on, but Amandar has to make up her own mind.
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Re: George Gordon and Wife Rachel Wedderburn in Census records
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 November 15 14:34 GMT (UK) »
A online tree has the original Scotlands People census 1851 Rachel Gordon head Widow age 66 for/farmers wife address Bog Road parish of Meldrum
1861 Old Porters Lodge parish of Meldrum
Rachel Gordon mother in law age 76 W farmers widow mother in law  :)