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Torboy & Lugmore
« on: Wednesday 11 November 15 12:49 GMT (UK) »
Today's Google maps show a place called Lugmore on land in Torboy once held by James Lennon at the time of Griffith's valuation. The map shows Lugmore where the Lennon home and farm outbuildings once were with the Lugmore name attached to them.  However, there is no Lugmore in Longford listed in Sean Ruad's Irish Atlas or in the 1901 or 1911 Irish censuses.  If I search for Lugmore in the Google maps, nothing comes up.  A Google search for Lugmore in Longford shows nothing.  No one speaks nostalgically about Lugmore.  If there is someone who knows the background of Lugmore and how it came to be, I would appreciate hearing it.  Do Lennon descendants still live there?  Thank you for any help you can give me. 

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi
If you type in on google Torboy county Longford
you will get the townland as it is today.
when you go to the census the DED where the census is sorted is Doory, which is like the polling area, Torboy is listed by the Lennon family.
If you pick up this in the 1911 census, click on the
"House and Buildings return" choice and zoom in on the top line you will see it comes under Moydow, Ballymahon and the Parish is TAGHSHEENOD.
In Griffiths Valuation James Lennon is listed as being in TAGHSHEENOD .
If you type in TAGHSHEENOD  map      on google
zoom in slightly you will see a place on the left called Keenagh, this is where the Church was/is.
I only know the area as we used to go to a festival there every year until 2011.

The info between, the Tithe, Griffiths and census records use Barony, Parish, Union and town land names and you have to use a map to pin point the actual area between the records. 
Depending on where you like a town land is like a Street, Road, Via, Weg  in our towns.
I hope this has helped.
Maggsie

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 15:26 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the information, Maggie.  I have the Lennon information already, but my question is about the name Lugmore, which seems new.  It is where the home and outbuildings of James Lennon were located in the Griffith map.  The Lennons also had a home and a number of farming outbuildings in the 1901 and 1902 censuses.  All of these were located in Torboy.  Now, those same Torboy buildings are labeled Lugmore on Google maps.  Where did that name come from?  It is confusing a descendant who has been to the Lennon ancestral home with her mother who was born there.  She is ruling out the cluster of buildings now labeled Lugmore as the location she remembers visiting just because of the name.  The Google camera car did not go up that long driveway so we cannot see the buildings themselves.  She recalls a two-story home. 

I do have the GPS location of the ringfort on the property.  It shows up on the Griffith map and today's Google satellite view. 

I will pass on your information to the Lennon granddaughter.  Thanks again. 

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 15:47 GMT (UK) »
3rd attempt posting this, fingers crossed.
The name means Great Hollow, like here http://www.logainm.ie/en/30008
Is there a hollow in the area.

Eircode gives Torboy Moydow as the address for those houses.

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Sinann, 

Thank you for the meaning of the name.  That's interesting.  Perhaps there is a hollow in the area.  I'm 99% sure that the buildings are her family's and that they are in Torboy.  Even a search for Torboy brings up an outline of Torboy, but it shows that Lugmore inside with the name is written as a place, not as a feature of the topography.  This is the first time Google maps has confused an issue. I wish I could just white out that name.   :)

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 16:27 GMT (UK) »
It's not unusual for Google maps to have errors, perhaps the Ordnance Survey would put the family at their ease.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/

Use the search by county, Longford than by townland.

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 16:59 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately, it didn't, but maybe your comment that Google does have errors might.  Unless someone from Torboy or the Torboy area has new information, I'm sure that's the truth too. 

It can be hard for someone who has been to an ancestral home years ago and taken photos to reconcile anything that doesn't fit the memory and photographic evidence.  Lugmore's in the way right now.  She's right to be sure that her family didn't come from Lugmore.  We're good with the fairy fort though. 

Google goofed! 

I have to rake leaves this afternoon.  If there are any new postings, I'll catch up on them later.  Thanks to all. 

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Re: Torboy & Lugmore
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 11 November 15 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Today's Google maps show a place called Lugmore on land in Torboy once held by James Lennon at the time of Griffith's valuation. The map shows Lugmore where the Lennon home and farm outbuildings once were with the Lugmore name attached to them.  However, there is no Lugmore in Longford listed in Sean Ruad's Irish Atlas or in the 1901 or 1911 Irish censuses.  If I search for Lugmore in the Google maps, nothing comes up.  A Google search for Lugmore in Longford shows nothing.  No one speaks nostalgically about Lugmore.  If there is someone who knows the background of Lugmore and how it came to be, I would appreciate hearing it.  Do Lennon descendants still live there?  Thank you for any help you can give me.

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