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Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« on: Friday 13 November 15 00:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi... I'm looking for a birth/baptism of Agnes LANG bc.1816 in either Cadder, Monkland, or Chryston depending in which years census you look at.  Her death certificate in 1886 reads father James LANG, farmer deceased, and mother Agnes SINCLAIR.  Members on ancestry have James LANG 1780-1872 and Agnes SINCLAIR 1781-1877 but I cant find any deaths for them in those years!
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Regards, Steven.
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ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #1 on: Friday 13 November 15 06:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steven, I checked on ScotlandsPeople for the birth of Agnes Lang 1806-1816 and found 3 for her with father James but mother in each case is not Sinclair. Then checked 1790-1816 for marriage of James & Agnes but no Agnes had last name of Sinclair. Lastly, I checked 1800-1830 for any births to James Lang & Agnes Sinclair but none came up. Do you know who the informant was on her death cert? They may not have gotten the name correct. As to the trees on Ancestry, I do not count them unless they have proof of whats written on their trees. Many times people just copy each other. What censuses are you looking at for Agnes??? If you can give anything else, I will look further, Kim

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 November 15 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Steven, did Agnes die in Australia or Scotland?

Just echoing blemdookie's thoughts that the informant may have got Agnes's mother's name wrong. This can happen especially if a death occurred in another country. I have a number of incorrect mother's surnames in particular in families I have researched.

It might be worth looking at the other likely births anyway in case one of them is your Agnes, though I'm not sure how you would ever be sure which might be the correct one. There may be a clue there somewhere though. Perhaps you could eliminate any father James who is not a farmer, check abode etc. Mother's surname probably not be given at that time anyway though sometimes they may be.

Sorry I don't have more to contribute.

Good luck.

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 November 15 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your reply.

Agnes ROBERTS died 11 APR 1886 at Barrhill, Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire, Scotland aged 71.  Wife of James ROBERTS, Forrester.  Father: James LANG, Farmer, deceased.  Mother: Agnes SINCLAIR, deceased.  Informant was James ROBERTS, husband.  She is buried at Auld Aisle.

1851 Census states born Monkland
1861 Census states born Cadder
1871 Census states born Cadder
1881 Census states born Chryston.

Her eldest son has a grandchild with SINCLAIR as a middle name.

Kim, I'm hearing you on the copying re Ancestry.  I cant believe the errors I've seen.  Some people are so blind to it too.  This is the reason I'm asking this question.  I don't believe what people have stated.

So many thanks.

Steven...
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 November 15 14:10 GMT (UK) »

Her eldest son has a grandchild with SINCLAIR as a middle name.


That's a nice big possible clue.

Perhaps they didn't marry .... Have you looked for births and deaths for James Roberts and Agnes Sinclair?

Apart from Agnes did they have any other children? Their births/baptisms might be worth looking at.

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 November 15 14:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steven,

There is also a possibility that she is down as Nancy rather than Agnes.....worth checking?

Annie

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 November 15 14:29 GMT (UK) »
I know when James ROBERTS was born and died and also when Agnes ROBERTS ms SINCLAIR died.  I cant find her birth, their marriage or her parent marriage.  I also don't know of any siblings of Agnes SINCLAIR.

Ta, Steven.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 November 15 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Is it possible Agnes was illegitimate although she knew who her father was & used his surname?

I have a g grandmother, illegitimate but used her Father's surname throughout her life on every document including her marriage & kids birth certs.

She was from Lanarkshire & her mother applied for "Poor Relief" so that may be worth looking into too?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 November 15 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Is it possible Agnes was illegitimate although she knew who her father was & used his surname?

OR......

Did her father die & mother had a relationship with someone named James Sinclair & Agnes used his surname as being a step-father?

Are their any other surnames used as middle names for a clue?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"