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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 21 November 15 04:44 GMT (UK) »
Drumgoon RC Parish, date looks like October 8th 1865, marriage of Peter Magee and Mary Murtha, witnesses Terence Kienan and Mary Mag(ee?) (right page, just over halfway down):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634838#page/133/mode/1up

This may tie in with the civil marriage record identified by shanew147 in the previous topic, ie:
Peter M'Ghee: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYMD-3XQ
Mary Murtagh: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYMZ-K3P

Edited to add:  I wouldn't be overly worried about the references to Drumgoon and Cootehill, they aren't incompatible, the town of Cootehill (also a registration district) is in both the civil and RC parishes of Drumgoon,  they may have been referring to Drumgoon RC parish rather than the townland, indeed you will even see references to that parish as Drumgoon (Cootehill).
 

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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 November 15 14:37 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if this sheds any further light as Mary Murtagh's father is named as John - civil marriage record- 15-Sep-1865       
Parish / District:   COOTEHILL      County:   Co. Cavan
Husband      Wife
Name:   Peter   McGhee      Mary   Murtagh
Address:   Cornacarrow      Lurganboy
Denomination:   Civil      
Occupation:   LABOURER      SCUTCHER
Age:   25      26
Status:   Bachelor (Previously unmarried)      Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father      Wife's Father
Name:   Bernard   McGhee      John   Murtagh
Address:         
Denomination:         
Occupation:   LABOURER      TAILOR
   
Witness 1      Witness 2
Name:   Terence   Keenan      Mary   Magee
Address:         
Notes:
NOTE  =  MARRIED IN THE RC CHAPEL OF MAUDABAWN BY JOHN SMAITH C.C
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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 25 November 15 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks to all who have replied, but but but it makes it more confusing than ever. One record gives the date of marriage as 8th October & another gives 15th September, why the difference ?

I've never had to deal with Irish records before, what is/was the relationship between the Civil Authorities and the Roman Catholic Church as regard the registration of births marriages & deaths ?

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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 25 November 15 17:25 GMT (UK) »
There was no relationship... one is Church and one is State.

The Registration date is the date it was Registered in the State Registry Office.
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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 28 November 15 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi hallmark, maybe I phrased it wrong. Up until 1st of January 1978 all marriages in Scotland had to be "cried" I think it was three times before the marriage could take place. This could either be done by a notice being placed outside the registry office for three weeks or by being announced in the Church of Scotland on three sabbaths.

No other church would suffice, although there was nothing to stop a church doing this as long as the notice was displayed in the registry office window. Did/does a similar system prevail in Ireland? If so which church can legally perform this service.

The other thing that puzzles me is the time between the wedding taking place and it being registered with the state. In Scotland it must registered within three days, three weeks seems an awfully long time

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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 28 November 15 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Depends on when they were next in town...
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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 28 November 15 16:25 GMT (UK) »
So does that mean there is no statuary time limit between being married and registering the event? I find that hard to believe, you could just wander in two years or so later and register your wedding, I doubt it.

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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 28 November 15 17:04 GMT (UK) »
There was a continuing need to design a procedure to capture all births and deaths accurately and in a timely manner. Some people remained unregistered due to the failure of their parents to register them at birth and others who nominally complied with the law made incorrect entries. Much of the work necessary to ensure more complete coverage was completed during the period 1879-1900 when Thomas Grimshaw was Registrar General.

The Births and Deaths Registration Act (Ireland) 1880 set out the procedures to be followed and the persons who were required to give information to the registrars in respect of births and deaths.

It laid down time limits for persons to comply with the regulations and provided a system for the correction of errors.
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Re: Mary Murdoch or Murtagh
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 28 November 15 17:27 GMT (UK) »
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1863/act/27/enacted/en/print and such like will contain timeframe for everything.
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