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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 05:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brian,

adioyneing (as appears twice in this extract) = adjoining

If you have it elsewhere with an i instead of the y, then yes, same word.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 05:46 GMT (UK) »
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so the rule is J never appears in middle of a word, only the beginning, also y can and is interchanged with i sometimes

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 13:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brian,

I wouldn't put it quite as strongly as that.  In very early documents the i does the job of the j, whether it be ioyned, adioyneing or periury.  You will find that to be the case in the C16th and much of the C17th, but rarely after 1700.

The i and the y tend to be mixed casually; often among instances of the same word in the same document - sayd/said, ffortye/ffortie, wyfe/wife and so on.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 05 December 15 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello
I finished page 1. It is getting easier as I proceed thanks to your help. I had a couple of highlighted areas I need help on and proof read the rest.

Thanks Brian

My transcription
to Ellin my wife two peeces of ground called by the name of the Poole Pieads the
one in my possession and the one other in the possession of Richard Eaton for and during
her life to bee att her owne disposeing the Renew rord of my Lease: Item I
give and bequeath unto Ellin my wife all that parte of ground in my possession
inclosed in Sowdley Parke next adioyning to the gate to hold during the Terme
of foure cropps: Item I give and bequeath unto Thomas Davison my sonne in
Lawe that peece of ground adioyning to those peece of ground att the Peeten
Lande to hold during my Lease paying to Ellin my wife or Ffrancis my sonne
and heir assigne the sume of Tenne shillings yearlie for Rent: Item I give
and bequeath all the possession of the remayning part of ground both inclosed
and uninclosed in Cheswardine and Sowdley Park unto my wife and Ffrancis my
sonne as also all the land in the Snape  inclosed and uninclosed during my
Lease they rereining the Rents before men?ened making ingup and paying
the whole rent to the Lorde: Item I give and bequeath to Margarett Davison
my daughter Tenne pounds: Item I give and bequeath to Rowland Davison and Richard
my grandchildren Seaven pounds betwixt them towards the setting them off when
the time of their apprentishipp is expired: Item I give and bequeath to Thomas
Davison my grandchild to sett him apprentise seaven pounds: Item I give and bequeath
to Ffrancis Davison my grandchild toward the setting him Apprentice three pounds
and Ewe sheepe to bee given him immediatly after my decease: Item I give and
bequeath unto all the rest of my Grandchildren, children of my sonne and daughter
Davison ffortie shillings a peece and every one of them an ewe sheepe to bee de
livered att my decease, and the moneyse to bee putt forth for their good And
Hieytorereine itt as they  come to age: Item I give and bequeath to Thomas
Preston my Grandchild seaven pounds to bind him Apprentice: Item I give to
John Preston my Grandchild five pounds towarde bindinge him Prentice, and
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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 05 December 15 20:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello again Brian,
I've been enjoying following this transcription thread with you. It reminds me of the frustrating enjoyment I used to get out of doing these documents.  :)
OK, here's my go at it.
....Poole Heads....
(I'm not sure what he's actually written, but could it be a word for renewal?)
Snape(?)
...receiving the Rents before mentioned makinging up....(I could be wrong but it does look like the writer has written "ing" twice)
...ffortie shillings...
they to receive itt....

Hope this helps.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 05 December 15 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Darren

It has been an adventure of discovery so far. When a new name pops up, trying to find other evidence of existence or location. So far Poole "heads" has proved elusive. Other locations like Soudley park, castle house, and Peeton have been confirmed and found. It is fascinating to get a glimpse of the lives of the ancestors. I can't wait to to see what discoveries are on Page 2.

I was thinking the writer of this was probably a clerk being dictated to by John Butter, as he was "sore visited by sickness" the double ing is a puzzler though

I was wondering why he would say 40 shillings rather than 2 pounds, maybe it just sounded like more, even though 40 shillings equates to the buying power of £9900 today.

Thanks for your insight Darren

Brian



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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 05 December 15 23:54 GMT (UK) »
Brian,
I'm not 100% on the "ing", but it does certainly look like it. Most early wills were written by someone else, even if the testator could read and write.
Place names are sometimes the hardest to decipher, unless you are very familiar with the local terrain. Farms, fields, tracts of land etc. are all sometimes given names, some of which don't exist today.

Darren
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: 1653 preamble of the will of my 10x great grandfather John Butter
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 06 December 15 00:04 GMT (UK) »
Possibly it was a tract of land or property because I can't locate it on Google Maps.
Your ancestor living at Cheswardine is not far from my wife's ancestors at Stanton Upon Hine Heath.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.