James Joseph Williams

[Mabel Bagshawe]

If it is Kate, James & William in 1902, where's Rose?

[davidgoldburn]

This family is confusing! I'm guessing rose was still with Mum?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

There's a Johanna Stewart the right age b Westminster on the 1871 census...

[davidgoldburn]

oooh ok, thats a start. She should be in the westminster area?

[davidgoldburn]

Name:   Johanna Williams
Birth Date:   abt 1864
Date of Registration:   Dec 1943
Age at Death:   79
Registration district:   Bermondsey
Inferred County:   London
Volume:   1d
Page:   65


I think this might be her death certificate...

The family was definitely in Bermondsey...

The birth is roughly right?

Thank you ever so much

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I saw that, but in theory there's a Johanna Williams in southwark on the 1945 & 1946 electoral registers, living with an Ellen

[davidgoldburn]

Talking of electoral rolls....

If you look at Annie and Henry Williams at 10 Maze Pond. They are there in 1919 with Henry Jnr, in 1920 James appears- which correlates with the wedding data- he registered his home there in 1920- by 1921 James is gone- he is in India with the DCLI.

The big question I have is, this Annie the Annie on the birth certificate. If so where does Henry JNR come from?

Or is this Annie and Henry a completely different Annie and Henry... because again I cant find a Annie and Henry with a Henry JNR...

Oh what fun I am having.

So thats why I am dubious of Johanna reappearing in on the electoral rolls!

[davidgoldburn]

Mabel...

You might be on to something!

Name:   Annie Williams
Year:   1930
County or Borough:   Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency:   Bermondsey
Street address:   10 MAZE POND-Could

Annie Williams is living with a Ellen and Henry...

Ohhh

Pieces of a puzzle!

[davidgoldburn]

Hi Mabel,

Do you think that a women would record her self as Annie on a birth certificate, Johanna on the census, Annie on 15 years of electoral rolls, and then once her husband had died refer to herself has Johanna again?

Ellen is there in the 1911 census age 7 which matches. So one could assume the daughter is living with the elderly mother in 1945/46. James - the son and brother is now living in Queens Building on the other side of Bermondsey.

Am I confusing two sets of family's believing one set is mine, when actually it isnt.

I have got a Johanna Williams which could easily be a Josephine when transcribed/miss heard in ireland. I have got a Henry Williams as the father.

However how do we square the fact that Johanna is also officially recording her self as Annie? Unless they are two different people?

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