William WINTER and Jane LEWIS

[fyremoon]

Is anyone researching this couple?  I'm not quite sure if I have the right place, but I have an Edward Winter, born in London, with these two as his parents.  From what I can find there was a marriage between a William Winter and Jane Lewis in Haverfordwest in 1874.  I *think* this is my couple.  If so they must have moved to London some time before about 1878 when Edward was born. 

I found an 1881 Census return from London, that had a William Winter, b.about 1840 in Tenby, Pembrokeshire, a Jane Winter, b. abt 1851 Hackney, Middlesex and three children, one Edward b. Kensington, London 1877. 

How can I tell if the William and Jane from this census are the William and Jane who married in Haverfordwest, and if they are indeed *my* Edward's parents?

I'm in Australia, and not near any big libraries, so research is mostly done online.  Wouldn't it be great if I come across someone who's researching these Winters too!

LW

[Sue53]

Hi Fyremoon,
Just had a quick look re this, at the 1871 census for England, A Wm Winter  born 1840 Tenby, is living in London, single, and the head of a draper shop. It's a bit late here now and the eyes are going but will look at this again if you want and give you more details.
If you have Edwards birth cert it will give you Jane's or his mothers maiden name, William and Jane's marriage cert would also have her maiden name on it + both their fathers names.
         I hope that makes sense.   Regards    Sue.

[fyremoon]

Thanks Sue!

That's interesting, those London Winters from the drapers shop may well be my lot. 

I don't have many birth details for my GGfather Edward, which is partly what I'm trying to find.  I only have his marriage certificate from here in Australia, which states that he was born in London, age 32, his father, William Winter was a draper and his mother was Jane Lewis.  Now I don't know if the William and Jane from 1881 are that same pair, and their second-born is my Edward, or if they're a coincidental family and I'm totally off track.

The only marriage index I've been able to find online for a William Winter and Jane Lewis is that one in 1874 in Haverfordwest - the fact that this William the draper is still single in 1871 census lends weight to the theory that he's the same one who married that Jane... but it's all conjecture really, as I don't have access to any of the documents to check if they hold further info.

Thank you so much for posting a reply Sue   My query's been sitting here for months getting lonely   Much appreciated.  Any further details you might happen across would be much appreciated.

Leigh

[ec]

Hi

I think you have likely identified the couple in the 1881 census, but I think the marriage you found is unlikely - if Jane was from Hackney and William was originally from Pembrokeshire, but in London by 1871 with a drapers business, I think it is unlikely they would have travelled to Haverfordwest to marry.  This is possibly more likely a marriage

Marriages Dec 1871
Lewis  Jane    Poplar  1c 1375   
Marrion  Robert     Poplar  1c 1375   
Waite  Mary Ann     Poplar  1c 1375   
Winter  William     Poplar  1c 1375   

EC

[Sue53]

Hi again,
Great news re wedding, had crossed my mind might be wrong as had they gone back to Wales they would have married in Tenby probably.

Free BMD threw this up
Edward Winter Kensington District, Vol 1a, Page 118,
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=43204247&d=bmd_1126009863

with this info you can send for the birth and marriage cert from here,
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Will have a look at Census images soon and get back to you.   Sue.

[Sue53]

Mhttp://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
mmmmmmmmm hope this one works.

[Sue53]

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

[Sue53]

1871 C England   RG10/15         F73      P1
name        dob          place of birth     occupation         location
 Fanny S Almore  abt 1853  Middlesex Assistant Paddington london
  Emma Baldwin abt 1851  Harwich Assistant  Paddington  London   
  Mary Davarn abt 1850  Portsmouth, Middlesex, England Assistant  Paddington  London   
 Mary Janes abt 1851  S Wales, Wales Servant  Paddington  London               Alice Sandbrook abt 1870  London, Middlesex, England Daughter  Paddington  London   
 Annie Sandbrook abt 1837  S Wales, Wales Wife  Paddington  London   
 Elizabeth Sandbrook abt 1858  S Wales, Wales Daughter  Paddington  London 
 William Sandbrook abt 1842  S Wales, Wales Head  Paddington  London   
 Mary Ann B Swan abt 1852  Cornwall, England Assistant  Paddington  London   
 William Winter abt 1839  S Wales, Wales Head  Paddington  London   
 
The address looks like 2 & 3  Desbow Place.

[Sue53]

1891C     RG12/26   F3   P2.

The address looks like 172  Portabello Rd.  William is a widower.

Winter, Daisy M abt 1886 Kensington, London, England Daughter  Kensington  London   
  Winter, Dorothy G abt 1885 Kensington, London, England Daughter  Kensington  London   
 Winter, Edward abt 1877 Kensington, London, England Son  Kensington  London   
  Winter, William abt 1834 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head  Kensington  London