Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874

[Girl Guide]

Does anyone have a Florence Emily LLOYD or possibly Emily LLOYD in their family tree?  She would have been born around 1874 and in the 1911 census she gives her place of birth as Colwall, Herefordshire.

She is living with my great grandfather James ENGLAND as his wife with their daughter Lilian Olga Violet ENGLAND.  Their address in 1911 is 286 Holloway Road, London.

One snag - James was already married to my great grandmother Clara (Carrie) Ann KNOWLING.  He married Carrie Ann in 1886.  Carrie Ann died in 1918 and James died in 1920.  In theory James could have married Florence in the two years between his legal wife's death and his own in 1920, but I've never found any record of a marriage between them.

In the 1939 Register I found what I think is probably Florence as a patient in the North Middlesex County Hospital.  It gives her date of birth as 28 November 1875 and she is stated as being widowed which would be correct.  I also found what I suspect is her death registered in SQ 1944 Willesden 3A 359 - the certificate is still to be obtained.

I am trying to link her to her birth family but struggling to do this.  I found an Emily LLOYD in the 1881 census living at 2 Pullens Row, Colwell with a birth year of 1873 and birthplace of Burghill.  Not sure if this is the correct family.  Cannot seem to find her in either 1891 or 1901 as either Emily or Florence Emily.

Does anyone have any ideas?

[pinefamily]

Have you given any thought to Emily/Florence being married before; Lloyd being her married name?

[Girl Guide]

Well now I must admit I hadn't thought of that possibility.  James refers to her as Miss in his will, but just because he does so doesn't exclude the possibility of a previous marriage for Florence.  She may well have been economical with the truth when she met him.

I've no idea how or when they met.

[Girl Guide]

I have now obtained the death certificate and it was James England's 'wife'.  She died at Twyford Lodge, Willesden.  The informant was not her daughter but someone called H. C. DRAPER of 2 Northfields Road, Acton.  This person caused the body to be buried.

Any suggestions as to where she might have been buried?  The registration district was Willesden, sub-district Harlesden.  Also what was Twyford Lodge?

Don't quite know why the daughter was not involved in this as daughter did not die until 1959, death registered in Blackpool.

[Kay99]

A thread from another site may be use re Twyford Lodge https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-3408.html 

Kay

[Girl Guide]

Hi Kay

Thank you for that link, most informative.

[lizdb]

Lillian Olga Violets birth cert would give you the maiden name of Florence (assuming she is the mother)

Birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1909
Wandsworth
Ref 1d 616
Lilian Olga V England

[Girl Guide]

I already have Lilian's birth cert.  Mother is listed as Florence Emily ENGLAND formerly LLOYD.

As I said in an earlier post, James & Florence were never married as James was already married to my great grandmother Carrie Ann.

Even though James' legal wife died in 1918 they don't appear to have taken the opportunity to legalise their relationship.  James died two years later in 1920.

[ShaunJ]

There's an Emily Lloyd in Colwall in the 1881 census. Aged 8, born Burghill, with mother Elizabeth Lloyd, married, 44, innkeeper born Westhide, various siblings, and grandmother Mary Hill 69 born Burghill.

At that time Burghill is in Hereford RD and Colwall is in Ledbury RD.

Possible births per FreeBMD:

Q/e  Mar 1871 
Lloyd    Emily        Ledbury    6a   485

Q/e Mar 1873   
Lloyd    Emily        Hereford    6a   514