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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 04 February 18 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Ah my guess about adoption was correct then.

I'm afraid I won't know anything about the adoption as I wasn't aware that Lilian had adopted your mother.

I'm slightly confused as to what your mother's name was - Did Lilian call her Elizabeth England or was that her birth name?

After your grandmother died were there any family papers of any interest found?

As the GRO now have mother's maiden names for births between 1837 and 1917, I may have another go at trying to locate Florence's family.

If there is anything else you would like to know do ask and if I have the information I can pass it on to you.
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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 04 February 18 20:11 GMT (UK) »
My mum was born Margaret England and Lilian was her birth mother. Lilian put my mum up for adoption as she did with her sister Verinica. She may have had another daughter too called June.

So James England was my biological Great Grandad as he was yours if I read that right? 

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 04 February 18 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Seems our posts crossed as it were.

Let's get a few things clarified.  James England married Clara Ann (known as Carrie Ann) on 25th April 1886.  I'm descended from their son Sidney and as you rightly surmise James was my great grandfather.

At some point after 1901 James met Florence Lloyd and they had Lilian.  James and Florence never married as Clara did not die until 1918 and James died two years later in 1920.  I have his will in which he left everything to Miss Florence Emily Lloyd.

The only birth I can find before Lilian's marriage to William Ladds is that of Margaret.  Other England/England births in Birmingham are after her marriage in 1941.  So I'm not sure where the other sisters come in unless she rapidly left William and had the other girls.  However Lilian died as Ladds so not sure what to think there.

There was another Lilian O V England but her other names are Olive Vera born 1905 and this is the one who married Rogers in 1928.
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Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 04 February 18 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Gosh how interesting. Margaret is my mother.

I guess this means you are my second cousin! I check now and then to see if there is any information online and amazed to have found an actual living relative!

My mum (Margaret) searched the records in Kew and found the birth certificate and adoption records of Veronica England.. born 1930 and her elder sister.

I have just emailed the adoption letters department in Birmingham to see if there is any information they can give on Verinica. I will keep you posted.

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 04 February 18 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Do I assume that you have your mother's original birth certificate and that it states that Lilian is her mother?

I will await the results of your email to Birmingham with interest.

Added - I forgot to say that at the time of James' death he was the owner of a cycle shop at 102 High Street, North Finchley.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 04 February 18 21:58 GMT (UK) »
I wonder whether the parents of either Lilian Olive Vera England (b 1905) or Lilian Olga Violet England (b 1909) chose their given names with a view to the initials LOVE 💕  ;)
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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 04 February 18 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Yes avm I noticed that and wondered if that had been done deliberately or by accident.
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England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 04 February 18 22:10 GMT (UK) »
Gilly

When I obtained Florence's death certificate Lilian wasn't named as the informant and I wondered why.  Possibly Lilian had discovered/realised her parents weren't married and therefore disowned her mother.

That's why I wondered if Lilian had had any family papers at all.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 04 February 18 22:16 GMT (UK) »
Without a doubt!! 😍😍😍