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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 February 16 12:50 GMT (UK) »
Possible early childbearing for Emily?

Evelyn Dorothy Lloyd bap Colwall 04.11.93: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBXN-ZD3

Free index suggests that by 1911 she might (as Dorothy Lloyd, 16) be in the Hornsey area - close to where you have found James England's household in Holloway Rd:
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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 February 16 15:28 GMT (UK) »
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I found an Emily LLOYD in the 1881 census living at 2 Pullens Row, Colwell with a birth year of 1873 and birthplace of Burghill.  Not sure if this is the correct family

Sorry GG - on re-reading your original post I see I've been telling you things you already know!

In 1891 there's a 19 year old Emily Lloyd, dressmaker, born Burghill, lodging with a Cairns family in Hill View Terrace, Colwall
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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 February 16 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Ah thanks Shaun, I've been struggling to find Emily in later census records.

I don't know if this is a completely different Emily or mine who at whatever point acquired the first name of Florence.

I cannot seem to find any birth registered for a Florence Emily around the 1875 date.  Interestingly the Evelyn that AVM popped up with doesn't want to appear on the GRO index either.

I've written today to Hereford Council to ask which register office would have covered the Ledbury registration district.  There is a chance that the births were registered locally but missed getting on the main GRO index.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
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Southcott: Devon, China
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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 February 16 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Well it seems that neither Hereford nor Worcester have any relevant birth records for Florence and Evelyn.

All we have so far is a baptism record for Evelyn which avm found on family search.  I did come across Evelyn's baptism again on a different website and the only extra piece of info was that mum Emily was resident at Great Malvern.

So somewhat stuck at the moment.  Florence must have come from somewhere, but where is the problem!  Aaagh, the joys of family history!!
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 February 18 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Lilian Violet Olga England was my Grandmother. I would love to hear what you found out. X

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 February 18 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello Gilly, Welcome to Rootschat

I must confess that I was gobsmacked to see your post!

Can I just check that your Lilian married a William Richard Ladds?  I have a marriage certificate for 12 April 1941 in Birmingham.

Her death was in 1959 registered in the district of Blackpool.

I couldn't find any children registered from this marriage so adopted??
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 04 February 18 19:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello. So glad you replied!

She was my mums maternal mother and my mum was adopted in Birmingham as well as her sister who we never found. They both had their names changed but I believe my mum was called Elizabeth England and her sister Margaret.

Mum did not know she was adopted until she was 21 and was called Barbara Ann Robinson. (Still living btw and surname Harvie now.

By the time mum decided to trace her she was already passed away and we have Blackpool as the final resting place. With such a beautiful long name, it is definitely the same lady.

We dont know why the girls were adopted or who their dad was.

I would love to find mums sister/my aunty.

I guess we are related?! Lol x

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 04 February 18 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Mum born in march 1936

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Re: Florence Emily LLOYD born c.1874
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 04 February 18 19:53 GMT (UK) »
Ok my error...mum was called Margaret England and her sister was called Veronica born in 1930.

I have dug out the info I found with some help years ago:

Lilian Olga Violet England born 1909 in Wandsworth
Married William R Ladds in 1941 in Birmingham
and Died as Lilian O V Ladds in 1959 aged 50
 
I must say I did find it strange that if she married Leslie Rogers in 1928 (in Camberwell) why she would go on to have Veronica (possibly June M) and Margaret in Birmingham and not give them their father's name ? That didn't gell with me.
 
All three were given the name "England" with the Mother's maiden name "England" - which may have meant that she was in a relationship, but not married ? or she may have had them by different fathers (not unheard of - my sister had 3 children by three different fathers)
 
I found them on the 1911 census which I emailed and I think I also discovered that Lilian's father (who was 46 years old when she was born) had been married before to a Clara Ann, I found them on the 1901 census living in Bristol they had a 13 year old son Sidney James England, living with his 74 year old mother Elizabeth. 
 
It looks like Clara Ann and James married in Brentford in 1886 and I think she may have died in the July/Aug/Sept quarter of 1907 aged 43 in Warwickshire. He then appears to have had a relationship with Florence Emily and had your grandmother Lilian Olga Violet England in the same year (although I cannot find a marriage !)
 
James England appears to have had quite a good job and I think he may have travelled all over, relocating to different areas to do that job ! hence the different areas of the country