Henry's of Newry.

[aghadowey]

Early on weaving was a home industry and was often done in conjunction with farming which is why it's very common to find weavers eventually being listed as farmers.

My gut feeling is that the name Moses goes back a long way in the Henry family and that's why there are quite a few that don't, at first glance, seem to be closely related. However, I think you are jumping to conclusions in thinking that Henry is a brother of your Moses, etc.

[b]

Hello
I've recently started investigating my family tree and I'm looking at the Henry family tree from the Newry area. I've been trying to find out more about Hugh Henry born 1827 died 1907. He is married to a Margaret Bartley. From Magarets death cert in 1897 she died at Rathfriland, Newry, Co. Down with Hugh reporting the death. In the Irish 1901 census Hugh is down as a widower living with his sister who is the head of the family. Every thing seems to check out apart from the reigion. From both their births through to marriage and death both are stated as being RC. Now Agnes has put an X for her name so it looks like somebody has filled it in for them. Is it possible they filled it in wrong or would somebody have changed religion? Can anybody please help.


1901 Census: 4 The Commons, Rathfriland, Down:
Agnes Henry head/single Presbyterian 65/1836 Seamstress B Co Down.
Hugh Henry brother/widower Presbyterian 70/1831 B Co Down.

It looks like Agnes died in 1905 and Hugh in 1907.

[aghadowey]

This looks like death for the Hugh Henry you found in 1901 census-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05525/4548799.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05525/4548799a.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05499/4540577.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05499/4540577a.pdf
Did yours have a grand-daughter called Mary Ann Gilmore? (see entries 3 & 4 above)

Death for Agnes Henry in 1905- nephew William G. Rantin was informant-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05582/4568117.pdf

Nephew seems to be William John Rantin- also Presbyterian:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Tullyhappy/Tullyhappy/307222

[aghadowey]

Probate of the Will (and one Codicil) of Agnes Henry late of Kilree County Armagh Spinster who died 14 October 1905 granted at Armagh to William John Rantin and Benjamin Thompson Farmers
Will dated 25 Feb.1896 mentions nephew William John Ranten of Tullyhappy & Benjamin Thompson of Knockduff (executors). Also, nephew Robert Lindsay Ranton, niece Saragh Jane Gordon, niece Elizabeth Henning, niece Mary Ranton, nice Anna Ranton, niece Susan Ranton. Codicil dated 2 Sept.1905 mentions niece Sarah Jane Gordon's daughter Agness & son Robert.

[atlantikman]

Agnes Henry (sister of Hugh Henry) died in 1909:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05463/4528858.pdf

A Bella Gilmore, niece,  was the Informant.  I thought Hugh Henry married Agnes Kane in 1850 Newry Armagh and had a daughter Agnes Henry in 1851 who married Joseph Gilmore in 1870 Banbridge.  Bella Gilmore, their daughter was born in 1887 according to the 1901 Census.

I'm not aware that this Hugh Henry married a Margaret, so we might have two (or more) Hugh Henry's here...

[b]

Looks like we might have two Hugh Henry's. I'm totally confused.  The 1901 Irish census has an address for Hugh of The Commons, Rathfriland, Down living with his spinster sister Agnes and Presbyterian as the religion (I have Hugh as Catholic). I followed a link on one of the threads which took me to the national archives for the 1901 census.This listed all the houses and their occupants of the commons. There were four Henry families registered, none of them Hugh and his sister and all Presbyterian. It looks like Henry is a popular name in Ireland so perhaps I've got things wrong. Hugh's wife died in Rathfriland, Down in 1897 but it doesn't give a specific address. Not knowing or coming from that part of the world (trying to find my Irish ancestors) I wouldn't know how big an area Rathfriland, Down is.

Thanks for the replies and help.

[atlantikman]

Hi B thanks for the info.  I see on FamilySearch your Hugh Henry married Margaret Bartley in 1849 Newry (parents Hugh Henry & Thomas Bartley).  Whereas my Hugh Henry married Agnes Kane in 1850 Newry (parents George Henry & Hugh Kane).  I'm assuming that you have worked back from someone (yourself?) and you have come down to this marriage conundrum.  I cannot get back any further than George Henry.  But it certainly looks like at least two Hugh Henry's in the Newry area at that time.  I wonder who do you have as your Hugh Henry's descendants/children? Can you let us know what your direct line is?  Mine is:

Mary Henry 1894-1949 married William Kelly in 1918;
Thomas Henry 1863-1941 married Margaret Wilson in 1889;
Moses Henry c.1837-1913 married Margaret Dougan in 1859;
George Henry.

Best wishes,
Paul.

[b]

Thanks for the reply Paul
This is the first family tree stuff I have done for quite a while as all my dads side of the family went back to Ireland (grandad was N Ireland my nan side from the south). I got fed up of not getting anywhere. Anyway years later I'm having another go.
The Hugh Henry I have was born in 1927 in Clonallon Parish his death I have as 1907
He had a son John Henry christened 1850 Warrenpoint, County Down
Daughter Mary Jane Henry 1852 Warrenpoint, County Down
Daughter Margaret Henry 1856 Warrenpoint, County Down  I don't have any more siblings.

John Henry moved to Liverpool around the age of 20 and married an Annie McEvoy 1877 Mount Carmel RC Toxteth Park(again her line goes back to Ireland)
They had 9 kids the youngest being my grandad born 1901 Emmanuel (Manny)
My grandad married Alice Whiting  born 1904 Liverpool(again going back to Ireland but the Cork area) in 1934 again at Mount Carmel.

Hope this helps and thanks for the reply.

[atlantikman]

Hi again,

No sorry I don't see any link with my Henry's sadly...

Checking my research, I see that I have this Hugh Henry b.c.1827 as a possible son of George Henry.  As far as I'm aware George Henry had issue Aaron 1825; Hugh? 1827; Agnes 1828; William Martin; Moses c.1837; John and James.

You mentioned Commons, Rathriland, Down for the 1901 Census.  I have a William Henry c.1836-1903 who is at 22  Commons, Church Street, Newry, Down in the 1901 Census with a daughter Mary Jane Henry b.c.1886.  Mary Jane Henry  married James Mcgaffin in 1910 Warrenpoint.  Not sure if there is two Commons in Down...  I know this William had a brother Moses Henry 1848-1918.  If you have any on your tree, I have info on 12 Moses Henry's...

Paul.