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Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« on: Sunday 20 December 15 17:57 GMT (UK) »

 am trying to find the name and other details of the ship which brought Dundas Welsh (1824 - 1913) and his wife Mary Welsh, nee Waldock (1835 - 1909) from Scotland to Australia.

 Dundas Welsh was born in Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland.

 Mary Waldock was born in Glasgow.


 They were married in Australia in 1855. (Given their age difference and marriage in Australia, they may well have eloped). Mary Waldock would have been 20 when she married, so my guess would be they left Scotland in 1854 or 1855, possibly 1853.

 I've had no luck finding their ship.

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 December 15 18:06 GMT (UK) »
They married and died in Victoria so possibly they also arrived there.  Each state and territory in Australia has it's own BDM Registry.

You can search the Assisted and Unassisted Arrivals at the Public Record Office of Victoria.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/ships-and-shipping

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 December 15 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Not much help but in his death notice in 1913 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199443512 it says he was a colonist of 64 years.

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 December 15 01:48 GMT (UK) »
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They were married in Australia in 1855. (Given their age difference and marriage in Australia, they may well have eloped). Mary Waldock would have been 20 when she married, so my guess would be they left Scotland in 1854 or 1855, possibly 1853.

Often need to investigate other records to identify Mary on the shipping records.  According to Mary's death registration, she was born c1837 so not 20 years of age when she married.  Do you have their marriage certificate?  Were either of them literate?

Death
WELSH Mary
Father David WALDOCK  Mother Clira McKENZIE  [Possibly Christian/Christina]
At Yan Yean  1909  72 years  Reg#3569

Possibly her parents' marriage
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WALDOCH   David
McKENZIE Christian
27 Mar 1820 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland

1841 Census living at Kirk Street South Side No 2, Kirkfield, Lanarkshire
WALDOCK Christina 40 years  Sawer [?Sewer]  Born Lanarkshire
WALDOCK David  10 years  Born Lanarkshire
WALDOCK John 8 years      Born Lanarkshire
WALDOCK Mary 3 years     Born Lanarkshire  [Born c1838]
CALDWELL Margaret  30 years  Needlework  Born Scotland

1851 Census living at 24 Drygate Lane, Glasgow
GRAHAM Francis  19 years  Barber [employing two men]  Born Glasgow, Lanarkhire
GRAHAM Mary  20 years  Barber's wife  Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
GRAHAM Susan  1 year  Barber's dau  Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
WALDOCK Mary  15 years  House Servant  Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire  [Born c1836]

And here is Mary with an incorrect age, arriving Victoria on the BIRMAN with the GRAHAM family.  She didn't elope with Dundas WELSH
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GRAHAM Francis L    21    JAN    1853    BIRMAN    B 028/001
GRAHAM Mary Mrs    22    JAN    1853    BIRMAN    B 028/001
GRAHAM Robert    I    JAN    1853    BIRMAN    B 028/001
GRAHAM Susan   2    JAN    1853    BIRMAN    B 028/001
WALDOCK Mary  13     JAN 1853 BIRMAN  B 028/001

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 December 15 03:17 GMT (UK) »
Not much help but in his death notice in 1913 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199443512 it says he was a colonist of 64 years.

regards,
   Ros

If he arrived Victoria as an unassisted immigrant in 1849 I doubt you will find his arrival.  No records for this period as it wasn't until 1852 that it was legislated for all passengers names to be recorded.  Indexes at PROV for unnassisted immigrants commence in 1852.

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 December 15 03:47 GMT (UK) »
Well at least his birth year is correct.

WELCH Dundas
Born 15 Jun 1824
Baptised 19 Jun 1824   Bothkennar, Stirling, Scotland
Father John  Mother Elisabeth FORSYTH    
FHL Film Number:    1041972

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 December 15 07:24 GMT (UK) »

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/64277359

Portland Guardian 1937
This  article may be of interest as it tells of the movements of Francis Lamb GRAHAM  immediately after his arrival. In Portland.

Of course we do not know whether young Mary WALDOCK stayed with the GRAHAMS after landing in VIC, but the information may come in handy for your files. ;) even if the dates are not quite correct.

Although I cannot find a birth, a four year old child of Dundas and Mary (WALDOCK) died in 1860 ( along with a two year old sister, both deaths being registered at the same time).

 
WELSH Christina
Father Dundas
Mother Mary
Age 4Y
Birth Place VIC
Year1860
Reg Number 5207

 
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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 December 15 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Sue I think that is a different Francis L GRAHAM.  He married  Mary Ann GIBBONS in 1858 and Helen HUME in 1870.  On the 1851 census he is living with his family in Cumberland, England and his occupation is shoemaker.  He died in 1912.

Francis GRAHAM and Mary ALLAN had a number of chn in Melbourne from 1853 to 1865.  This appears to be the birth of their dau Susan mentioned on the 1851 census. Francis was a barber on the 1851 census.

Birth
GRAHAM Susan
Birth    6 Mar 1850  Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father Francis  Mother Mary ALLAN
GS Film number    0102922-23, 0994182, 102927, 1042941

Is this Christiana's birth. 

WELSH Mary
Father Dundas  Mother Mary WALDOCK
At Yan Yean  1860  Reg#7526     

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Re: Dundas Welsh (1824 -1913) Mary Waldock (1835-1909) Scotland to Australia
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 December 15 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Yes,
It does make a bit more sense as  now I properly read. The correct Francis GRAHAM was a barber not  bootmaker on the ship's list ;D

Although I cannot find a birth, a four year old child of Dundas and Mary (WALDOCK) died in 1860 ( along with a two year old sister, both deaths being registered at the same time).

 
WELSH Christina
Father Dundas
Mother Mary
Age 4Y
Birth Place VIC
Year1860
Reg Number 5207

 
Sue





Is this Christiana's birth. 

WELSH Mary
Father Dundas  Mother Mary WALDOCK
At Yan Yean  1860  Reg#7526     

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She was four years old when she died in 1860
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