Charles and John Smith

[yekepa]

Looking for the rest of the family for Charles Smith B Risby 1853 (Father) and John Smith B Risby 1893 (son)
Difficult I know being "Smith" but would like to be able to tie John into a family. Perhaps not relevant to this, but I will add that John was in 9th Btn Suffolk Reg WW1. might help !
Any help appreciated
Y

[SmallTownGirl]

Looking for the rest of the family for Charles Smith B Risby 1853 (Father) and John Smith B Risby 1893 (son)
Difficult I know being "Smith" but would like to be able to tie John into a family. Perhaps not relevant to this, but I will add that John was in 9th Btn Suffolk Reg WW1. might help !
Any help appreciated
Y

Hi. 

How do you know about Charles and John, and their dates etc, if you don't know about the rest of their family?  Do you have them on any census records?

STG

[keyboard86]

Hi assume Charles in 1901 is:-

Charles Smith 48 Married b Risby
Lucy 17
Edward 11
13, South Street, Risby
Census ref RG13/1752/113/11
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi all it might lead to the whereabouts of John in 1901 if the wife of Charles in 1891 an Emily b c 1859 Bury St Edmunds can be located,  John is with Charles in last census.
Keyboard86

[Annette7]

From looking at census and BMD's it looks as if Charles Smith was born Mar.1853 Thingoe, Suffolk - he marries an Emily Lyes Dec.1882 Thingoe - 1891 census shows children as Willie 12 b.Bury St Edmunds, Lucy 7, Annie 3 and Edward 1 all born Risby.   'Willie' born prior to marriage as William Smith Lyes Dec.qtr.1878 Bury St. Edmunds.

I'm wondering if the 'M' for married against Charles in 1901 is an error as an Emily Smith died in 1898 Thingoe district and son John is living as a 'Boarder' in Bromley, London although back with widowed father 10 years later. 

Charles appears to be the son of Robert Smith (bc.1805 Risby) and Susan Arnold who married 29/6/1827 Risby.  Think Robert died either 1852 or 1861 and Susan in 1859 as Charles with his elder brother George in 1861 and 1871.

Sorry for no specific sources but have got to go out now - info discovered from census and familysearch.

Annette

[SmallTownGirl]

There's a possible baptism for Charles on FS ....

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1GZ-CQZ

and other census stuff as well.

STG

[keyboard86]

The family John Smith is boarding with in 1901 were Headed by Robert & Sarah Shemming/s

Marriage Robert John Shemmings to possibly Sarah Elizabeth Lyes June qtr Mile End 1c 917
Keyboard86

16th April 1882 St Paul Bow Common
Fathers John Shemmings occ Labourer Alfred Lyes occ Publican

[keyboard86]

Hi again, if Alfred Lyes is the father of Emily and Sarah Elizabeth in 1881 he is newly married by the looks of it to a Maria, Alfred aged 40? b Risby occ Beer House Keeper at the Red Lion. Ipswich Street, Bury St Edmunds
Census ref RG11/1844/57/20
Keyboard86

[yekepa]

annette and keyboard

 You have got it,all falls into place now.  This is indeed him.
Very interested in the Lyes family also, thanks.
As an aside, it is very strange why so many folk from this area ended up in Bromley at that particular time!
I am really grateful for all the help, many many thanks
Y