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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 02 January 16 12:04 GMT (UK) »
Do you have a private tree on line?

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 02 January 16 15:26 GMT (UK) »
Also think the certificate for Cyrus is a must.

Could May have been the daughter of Yvon Eccles the father?.

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 02 January 16 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I have a private tree on ancestry.

My cousin is ordering Cyrus' birth cert, Lisa Collins/Francis Yvon Eccles marriage and Francis Yvon's probate. She's also going to try to get the workhouse admission records. She already has May's birth and May's marriage.

It turns out Francis Yvon Eccles was a professor of French Literature, a journalist, and lived in France a lot of the time. His family was wealthy. They are surgeons, engineers, and even the 4th premier of Tasmania. And yet, May was in a workhouse.

I wondered if she was the daughter of another family member, but I hadn't considered his father. Someone else on ancestry has Yvon Richard as the father, the mother dying in 1893 and May's daughter as her step-sister. That's obviously incorrect. If she's the daughter of someone else, that could explain why the daughters are only 9 months, 10 days apart and also why she was pushed out of the family.

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 03 January 16 00:31 GMT (UK) »
My money would be on Francis not being the father of Cyrus.

Can we know the occupation of Albert Collins from the marriage certificate , it may help to track him down, if he existed ?

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 13 August 16 13:35 BST (UK) »
 >:(Was wondering who else is looking up my family? I have copies of may Dorothy collins birth certificate and found the information great! Thanks

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #32 on: Monday 05 September 16 23:57 BST (UK) »
Wondering if anyone can help with May Dorothy Collins born 1900 in Wallington!

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 07 May 23 17:26 BST (UK) »
Just to inform eccles1 and andarah1:

I have just posted this new thread as it has a different slant, but does mention aspects of this thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=872773
Devon: Bibby, Bird, Chaplin, Davey, Littlejohns, Pope, Shire, Sloman, Tucker
Dorset: Gauler
Gloucestershire: Gauler
Hampshire: Kimber
London: Crump, Gauler
Middlesex: Crump
Monmouthshire: Brunt
Northumberland: Bibby
Somerset: Clarke, Dibble, Duddridge, Parsons, Pool, Poole, Shire, Silvester
Surrey: Clarke
Wiltshire: Gauler

GEDmatch (myself): A869547
GEDmatch (my maternal grandfather):A933749
GEDmatch (my maternal grandmother): NY7596565

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #34 on: Monday 09 October 23 20:23 BST (UK) »
Just to add an update, during the summer, I came up with a new theory. I shared this with the family and a professional family historian hired by the family has agreed with it. There are records going along with this that I won't mention to make it succinct for anyone interested.

My theory is that May's parents are (at least on paper) Thomas John Collins (this could need looking into) and Florence Eliza Steer. There is a birth record for this as Florence May Collins. This is because my family have strong DNA relationships to the Steer family and also the descendants of May Dorothy Collins as well as the shared matches aligning. From these DNA matches, we can identify records.

Now, the part about Albert Collins (the reputed father) going to fight in the Boer War and coming back to find a baby that wasn't his is possible - just that Albert was actually Thomas John Collins.

Thomas is in South Africa at the time of the 1901 Census, so the household back in London includes
Florence Eliza Collins and daughters Maud and May. Descendants of Maud do match descendants of May highly, but also to my family. However, by 1904, they are in the workhouse and subsequently the census record near to the start of the thread is correct.

My theory is that Florence Eliza ran off to Kent, changed her name to Mary and had a child with Joseph Yielding (who died before the birth of the child) and then 5 more children with Thomas Smith (my family). This is certainly what the DNA evidence suggests.

Thomas John Collins did return to London and get in contact with his daughter Maud Collins, but not May. He did go on to build a family with a Frances May Jessup. Hopefully, a descendant of them will read this and say that they have done a DNA test. If they do not match the family of May Collins, then we know that Thomas John Collins was not May's father; if they do, then it confirms the father.
Devon: Bibby, Bird, Chaplin, Davey, Littlejohns, Pope, Shire, Sloman, Tucker
Dorset: Gauler
Gloucestershire: Gauler
Hampshire: Kimber
London: Crump, Gauler
Middlesex: Crump
Monmouthshire: Brunt
Northumberland: Bibby
Somerset: Clarke, Dibble, Duddridge, Parsons, Pool, Poole, Shire, Silvester
Surrey: Clarke
Wiltshire: Gauler

GEDmatch (myself): A869547
GEDmatch (my maternal grandfather):A933749
GEDmatch (my maternal grandmother): NY7596565

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Re: May Dorothy Collins, born in 1900
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 10 October 23 02:14 BST (UK) »
My theory is that May's parents are (at least on paper) Thomas John Collins (this could need looking into) and Florence Eliza Steer. There is a birth record for this as Florence May Collins.

I am not sure if I am understanding this correctly.

COLLINS, FLORENCE  MAY
Mother's maiden surname: STEER     
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 778

The following is the birth that is said to be that of May Dorothy ECCLES/COLLINS.

ECCLES, (no first name)
No mother's maiden surname
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 333

There is a comment on an Ancestry tree that says...

"We have a copy of her birth certificate. She was born at Laurel Bank, Manor Road, Wallington (her father's address). She was registered without a name and her BMD says Female Eccles and another says Female Collins. She was also registered as having died."

I haven't seen the birth cert but I assume that they mean that it is noted that the child was deceased by the time the birth was registered.  If this is the case I can't understand why anyone would think it was the birth cert for May Dorothy.

Death

COLLINS, No first name
Aged under 12 months
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 178

Debra  :)