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High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« on: Monday 11 January 16 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I have in my possession my Uncle's war diary which includes his time in early September 1916 in and around Highwood on The Somme. I have tried to fill in gaps and add more meat to his descriptions by using online sources however, I wondered if anyone else had a particular interest in this action and may be able to help. My Uncle was in the MGC and had been attached to the Northumberland Fusiliers earlier in the Summer near St Elooi but he does not detail who he was with at Highwood.
Any help gratefully received as a lot of the Military terms and details I find quite confusing.
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 January 16 13:13 GMT (UK) »
High Wood 1916:
http://www.ww1battlefields.co.uk/somme/high_wood.html

Was he an officer ie. was his diary an official war diary.
Do you know which Battalion he was attached to.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 January 16 13:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim 1
No he was a Private. Trying to read his war record it reads something like...
ac. 149 Cpy. But it is unfortunately terribly faded.
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 January 16 13:26 GMT (UK) »
149 Coy. would have been his own in the MGC.
http://1914-1918.net/mg_units.htm
http://1914-1918.net/50div.htm
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 January 16 13:51 GMT (UK) »
This map is the 5th. Batt. N. Fus. Sept. 1916
Red = British trenches
Blue = German trenches
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 January 16 14:19 GMT (UK) »
He states " 9th September we were one of 5 gun teams ordered up to relieve the Jocks who had been having a very rough time" He details various actions on Sunday 10th and then on Monday 11th when they were caught in a shell blast. He describes various injuries and being gassed on way back from the front line. He ended up at Mametz wood where their Company HQ had been before leaving for the front but had moved in the meantime. They were given food and first aid by an New Zealand regiment before heading back to Cambiers and then England. He had a large piece of shrapnel in his right shoulder.
Other than some general observations and a few gory details there is not much to go on. 
He returns to his unit after convalescence and is back on Western front in August 1917. His diary is even more sketchy then and finally ends when taken POW December 8th 1917. Again from his diary and the official records it is almost impossible to read where he was captured but I know he was held in Dülmen POW camp where he remained until 28.11.18. ( I have a picture of him and other POW's on the day of their repatriation). He re enlisted and served in India until 1924.
The diary has much more detail of him trying to join up, his initial training, route which eventually lead to Highwood and various family matters pertaining to the War.
Thanks for your help.
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 January 16 17:48 GMT (UK) »
It's difficult to pin him down without the Batt. he was attached to.
Certainly the 5th. N. Fus. were there & at Mametz wood.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 January 16 18:52 GMT (UK) »
I will get the magnifying glass out and see if I can make out anything further.
Thanks for your help, just reading the link about High wood now.
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Re: High wood / Bois des Four Caux
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 January 16 20:03 GMT (UK) »
OK. I think this is it:
Battle of Flers–Courcelette, 15 September[edit]
Main article: Battle of Flers–Courcelette
Capture of High Wood[edit]
On 15 September, the 47th Division, which had relieved the 1st Division from 7–11 September, attacked the wood and the adjacent areas to the right and left with two brigades, between the New Zealand and 50th divisions.[39] Due to the narrowness of no man's land in and around the wood, the British troops were withdrawn during the preliminary bombardment but then sent forward again and the creeping bombardment was fired 150 yards (140 m) beyond the German front line. The artillery were given the wrong map coordinates, which led to the creeping barrage being fired another 100 yards (91 m) further on; four of the eight tanks allotted to the corps were substituted for a closer creeping bombardment at High Wood.[40] The tanks advanced at 6:20 a.m. and two reached the south of the wood but then turned east to find open ground. Tank D-22 lost direction, ditched in the British front line and then fired on British troops by mistake. The second tank drove into a shell hole but D-13 got into the wood and fired on Bavarian Infantry Regiment 18 in the German support line, until the tank was hit and set on fire. A German infantryman crept up on the tank and shot one of the crew in the leg through a loop-hole; the fourth tank broke down in no man's land. The fate of the three tanks was reported at 10:00 a.m. by the crew of a 34 Squadron contact patrol, who then flew back to the wood and saw that the attacks by the New Zealanders and the 50th Division had enveloped the wood and the defenders of the Switch Trench nearby. On their return, the crew convinced the III Corps headquarters to cancel an attack from the wood.[41] The infantry advance into the wood had been stopped by machine-gun fire and in the mêlée, part of the three battalions advancing ready to attack the second objective, went into the wood and joined in.[42]

At 11:40 a.m., the 140th Trench Mortar Battery fired a hurricane bombardment of 750 mortar bombs into the wood in fifteen minutes. The 34 Squadron crew made a second sortie and at 12:30 p.m., watched as parties of Germans began to surrender to bombers working forward along the edges of the wood.[41] Several hundred soldiers of Bavarian Infantry Regiment 23 of the 3rd Bavarian Division were taken prisoner, along with six machine-guns and two heavy howitzers and the survivors of the 141st Brigade captured the wood by 1:00 p.m. As night fell, the division had no organised front line, except on the extreme right and only the first objective had been captured, although this gave the British observation of the German defences north-eastwards to Bapaume.[43][44] The survivors of Bavarian Infantry Regiment 23 managed to rally beyond Martinpuich and reinforcements from the 50th Reserve Division arrived and then counter-attacked with the remnants of the Bavarians at 5:30 p.m. The Germans managed to advance to within several hundred yards/metres of High Wood and Martinpuich and then dug in.[45] Engineers of the 50th Division on the left of the 47th Division worked through 16–17 September, using bricks from Bazentin-le-Petit to fill shell holes in the road leading to High Wood and dug Boast Trench to link the flanks of both divisions, which had been separated for three days. Tramlines were build west of the wood towards Eaucourt l'Abbaye and later extended to Bazentin-le-Petit, so that the wood could be avoided.

I think his position with the 50th. was at switch trench (map 1)
Map 2 shows the wood had been taken & the Divisional boundary (50th.) (yellow line) is now north of high wood.
The 1st. objective had now been achieved.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/