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Offline Michelle56

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I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« on: Wednesday 13 January 16 00:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I have a marriage certificate for Duncan McLeod and Lucy Allen. I have been unable to find any information about Lucy before her marriage.
I was hoping someone may be able to help.
The information on the certificate is as follows;

Married on 24th September 1904 in the Parish Church of Southend, Essex.
Duncan McLeod 30 Bachelor, Clerk
Address 2 York Gardens
Father Duncan McLeod, Engineer

Lucy Allen 30 Spinster, Nursing Sister
Address 23 Tykis Avenue, Southend
Father John Henry Allen, Boat Owner

I would appreciate any help or advice.


Thanks

Michelle
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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 00:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi. Have you found the McLeods in the 1911 census to get Lucy's birthplace?
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 01:03 GMT (UK) »
one family worth a closer look.In the 1871 census,,,,Lucys Father,,John,, is a Waterman? And as you can see in the 1881 census here,,,her brother John Henry is a mate of a barge.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
25, Cross Street, Erith, Dartford, Kent, England


Jane   Allen   Head   Widow   Female   43   1838   Mangler   Strood, Kent, England   
John H   Allen   Son   Single   Male   16   1865   Mate Of Barge   Erith, Kent, England   
Lucy   Allen   Daughter   Single   Female   6   1875   Scholar   Erith, Kent, England   
Henry J   Allen   Son   Single   Male   5   1876   Scholar   Erith, Kent, England   
Mary Ann   Allen   Daughter   Single   Female   3   1878   -   Erith, Kent, England
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 01:18 GMT (UK) »
there is a marriage of a John Henry Allen to a Jane Fanny George in 1860 in Swanscombe.
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 01:38 GMT (UK) »
By 1891,,this Lucy Allen is a servant in the Lloyd household in Wandsworth,London. So if shes yours,,,shes heading in the right direction.  :)
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 01:47 GMT (UK) »
in 1901 she is now in the Orme household in Lewisham...she is now a NURSE.

So...its looking good that she is the one described as born in 1874  Erith,Kent in the census.....and as b 1874  Kent,,registered Dartford on the birth indexes.
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 02:07 GMT (UK) »
Father, John Henry Allen death Jun.qtr.1880 Dartford.

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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 02:47 GMT (UK) »
It appears Duncan and Lucy emigrated to the US in 1908 - their first child was born Duncan Allen McLeod in Sept.qtr.1907 Romford.

On 10/6/1934 Lucy McLeod arrived in England from New York - her address in England was to be 9 Park Crescent, Erith, Kent - she returned to the US on 6/9/1934.

Think that kind of knits it altogether, that Lucy Allen is indeed the one born in Erith, Kent, dau. of John Henry Allen (born in Gravesend) and Jane Fanny George married in 1860 and that she was named after her paternal grandmother.

In 1851 John H Allen is living with his widowed mother Lucy plus 3 siblings in Milton next Gravesend.  In 1841 William Allen 40  Sawyer, Lucy 30, Elizabeth 10, William 8, John 4 and Ann 11mos.

John Henry Allen b.6/1/1837, bp.5/2/1837 St. George, Gravesend, Kent, son of William and Lucy (per familysearch).

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Re: I can't find the family of Lucy Allen
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 January 16 04:49 GMT (UK) »
MARRIAGE;
15 Oct 1860, St Peter and Paul, Swanscombe, Kent
John Henry ALLEN, 24, Bachelor,  OccpWaterman, abode Greenhithe, Father William, Occp Sawyer
Jane Fanny GEORGE, 24, Spinster, Occp Servant, Father WILLIAM George, Occp Labourer
Witnesses, William George and Ann Allen


MARRIAGE;
18 Feb 1827, All Saints, Maidstone, Kent
William ALLEN to Lucy CAREY


BAPTISMS and Birth if noted;
St George, Gravesend, Kent
ELIZABETH RUTH, 12 Dec 1830
WILLIAM, 25 Nov 1832
CATHERINE, 1 Feb 1835, buried 10 March 1836 age 14mths, abode Garrick St
JOHN HENRY, 5 Feb 1837, birth 6 Jan 1837**
ANN, 2 Aug 1840
EMMA, 12 March 1843, buried 3 Feb 1847 age 47months
HENRY, 6 April 1845, buried 30 April 1848 age 3
Later ones have abode as Garrick St or Wrotham Road, earlier New Road
All have Parents as WILLIAM/LUCY, Fathers Occp Sawyer

1st Child Baptised St Nicholas of Myra, Rochester;
THOMAS, 24 June 1827, Parents WILLIAM JOHN/LUCY, Fathers Occp Sawyer
Fathers Occp Sawyer


1851 we have;
Lucey Allen, 42, Head, Widow, born Rochester
Thomas Allen, 23, Son, Unm, Carrier in Employ of S E Railway, born Rochester
William Allen, 18, Son, Unm, Carrier in Employ of S E Railway, born Gravesend
John H Allen, 14, Son, born Gravesend
Ann Allen, 10, Daug, born Gravesend

BURIAL;
WILLIAM JOHN Allen, 14 July 1844, St George, Gravesend
Age 44
Abode Garrick St
Notes  By Coroners Warrant******

Some sort of accident??

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