John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.

[bushpoet]

G'day Gaffy. 

In trying to get back to an era that my ggggrandfather [William Broggy] was born in I came across a Broggy family that lived in Derrymore, Meelick, today.  I decided to follow this family line back to see what Broggy families there were and form some idea of a timeline.

The line has taken me back through the following who have lived in Derrymore, Meelick.

Matthew Henry Broggy B 1903, M 1933, D 1973.   Married Mary OConnell. 

Matthew Henry Broggy B 1866, M 1901, D 1946.  Married Catherine OShaughnessy who had   previously married Thomas Frost.

Matthew Broggy B [Trying to establish] M 1865, D 1904.  Married Ellen Thorn.

If Matthew, M. B. from the Ennis 1901 census died in 1904 his age was shown as 62.  Putting his birth around 1843.  Also records show his father's name was Daniel.

A member of the family that still resides in Derrymore, Meelick, posted on a genealogy site that the parents of Matthew above were Daniel Broggy and Bridget Omeara.  No records shown to substantiate it though.

Your search revealed the record of a Matthew Broggy being born to a Daniel Broggy and Bridget Finucane.

That is where I'm at and trying to find the correct parents.

The same family member also recorded that Daniel who married Bridget Omeara, his parents were Daniel and Bridget Danaher.  Again no records shown to substantiate it though.

I was given the following records around that era of a Thomas Broggy [probably related] and its interesting that a Mary Danaher and a Bridget Danaher are mentioned as informants.

Church Baptism Record
Name:   Bridget Broggy   Date of Birth:   
Date of Baptism:   17-Jan-1869
Address:   Derra   
Parish/District:   PARTEEN
Gender:    Female   County   Co. Clare
Denomination:   Roman Catholic

Father:   Thomas Broggy   
Mother:   Mary McNamara
Occupation:     

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:   Thomas McNamara   Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:   Mary Danaher

Notes:


Church Baptism Record
Name:   John Broggy   Date of Birth:   
Date of Baptism:   29-Apr-1866
Address:   Derra   
Parish/District:   PARTEEN
Gender:    Male   
County   Co. Clare
Denomination:   Roman Catholic

Father:   Thomas Broggy   
Mother:   Mary McNamara
Occupation:     

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:   John Danaher   Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:   Bridget Danaher


I hope this outline will help a bit in finding Matthew Broggy B 1840/43 parents and grandparents.

Really grateful for of all the assistance I'm getting.

[gaffy]

Here is a possibility for the marriage, a research copy from GRO Roscommon should confirm Thomas' father:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYMJ-WT1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYM8-WPK

There are references to Thomas Broggy and Mary McNamara on the internet (emigrated from Ireland to NY etc.), but once again any information about their Irish origins seems to be hearsay / anecdotal rather than based on authoritative source records.

[dathai]

I was having a look through these some dates agree with what we have found others appear guesstimated.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gux/

It looks to me like the Patrick and Daniel on Griffiths Valuations are brothers and both their lines are obviously using the same names which is causing great confusion.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VX51-G17

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N437-VVY

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHX1-3MG

[bushpoet]

Once you get back into the period 1800-1860 there are a few different families and many with Patrick, Daniel, Thomas and Matthew first names.

I've been trying to build a time line of Broggy individuals through this period hoping to connect some of them.

Irish immigration sent many to Canada and the U.S.A.

Just wondering what information would be included on the death record of Matthew Broggy who died in 1905.  He actually died on the 26 December 1904.  Do you need to procure a certificate, or an image, or can it be viewed somewhere.  Would it give both or one parent?


Name
MATHEW BROGGY 
Year of Death 1905 
Group Registration ID  N/R 
SR District/Reg Area Ennis 
Deceased Age at Death 62 
Returns Year 1905 
Returns Quarter 1 
Returns Volume No 4 
Returns Page No 135 
             

[gaffy]

... A member of the family that still resides in Derrymore, Meelick, posted on a genealogy site that the parents of Matthew above were Daniel Broggy and Bridget Omeara.  No records shown to substantiate it though ...

I sympathise, but I can only go on what I've found.  If I had to distil down what I can stand by with reasonable confidence at this point, based on looking at original Parteen RC parish registers, it is that:

- a Matthew Broggy and Ellen/Helen Thorn had sons John Henry and William Henry baptised in 1870 and 1871 respectively (Frosts were among the sponsors), I am more than less satisfied the recorded address was Derra and think this was more likely in the area of Derry More / Meelick;

- a Daniel Broggy and Bridget Finucane had a son Matthew baptised in 1840, the recorded address was Derra, this address was corroborated by the baptisms of some of their other children running from 1832 to 1845. 

For this era you are less likely to determine anything beyond reasonable doubt, more likely you have to make a call on the balance of probabilities.  If online information points to a Daniel Broggy and Bridget O'Meara having a son Matthew in the same ball park around the same time, that would mean two Daniel Broggys. I can't rule that out, all I can do is say that I haven't found records to support that other family.

It may be worth obtaining research copies of some of the civil records to try to tie things down.

[aghadowey]

Just wondering what information would be included on the death record of Matthew Broggy who died in 1905.  He actually died on the 26 December 1904.  Do you need to procure a certificate, or an image, or can it be viewed somewhere.  Would it give both or one parent?

Death certificate will not list relatives (unless one happens to be an informant). See here for details-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html

[bushpoet]

I wonder if the Patrick and Daniel of Derrymore in the Griffiths Valuation were brothers?

Occupier:   Daniel Broggy
Lessor:   James Frost
County:   Clare
Barony:   Bunratty, Lower
Parish:   Killeely
Townland:   Derrymore
OS Page Numbers:   52 and 62
Occupier:   Patrick Broggy
Lessor:   James Frost
County:   Clare
Barony:   Bunratty, Lower
Parish:   Killeely
Townland:   Derrymore
OS Page Numbers:   52 and 62

I found a record of a Daniel whose father was Patrick.  Could make him the Patrick above.

Name   Daniel Briggy
Event Type   Marriage
Birth Date   abt 1846
Marriage Date   31 Mar 1872
Marriage Place   Brighton, Massachusetts
Marriage Age   26
Father Name   Patrick
Mother Name   Mary
Spouse Name   Hannah Finn
Spouse Marriage Age   22
Spouse Father Name   Dennis
Spouse Mother Name   Hannah
Household Members   Name   Age
Daniel Briggy   
Hannah Finn   


Name   Daniel Broggy
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1880
Event Place   Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Gender   Male
Age   34
Marital Status   Married
Race   White
Race (Original)   W
Occupation   Laborer
Relationship to Head of Household   Self
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Self
Birth Year (Estimated)   1846
Birthplace   Ireland
Father's Birthplace   Ireland
Mother's Birthplace   Ireland
Sheet Letter   D
Sheet Number   233
Person Number   0
Volume   2
Household   Role   Gender   Age   Birthplace
Daniel Broggy    Self   M   34   Ireland
Hannah Broggy Hannah Broggy
Wife   F   30   Ireland
Hannah Broggy Hannah Broggy
Daughter   F   6   Massachusetts, United States
Patrick Broggy Patrick Broggy
Son   M   4   Massachusetts, United States
Mary Broggy Mary Broggy
Daughter   F   1   Massachusetts, United States


Name   Daniel Brogie
Gender   Male
Birth Date   abt 1851
Birth Place   Ireland
Death Date   27 Oct 1908
Death Place   Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Age at Death   57
Father   Patrick Brogie


 Also a Daniel Broggy of Derrymore who appears to be occupying land in 1833.  Is he the Daniel in the Griffiths Valuation.  Is he the Daniel who married Bridget Finucane.

[bushpoet]

Interesting to note that a Thomas Frost is mentioned here as well.

[dathai]

might be of interest 3 will indexes naming different administrators for Harriett Thorn
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01guy/