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Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« on: Friday 15 January 16 15:50 GMT (UK) »
Michael Murphy married Margaret Broshen on 13 November 1826 at St. Nicholas, Deptford when they were described as bachelor and spinster of this parish.

They had 6 children: John 1830, Thomas 1832, Sarah (my 3xgreat grandmother) c1833-1840, Ellen 1834, Margaret 1836 & Hannah 1838.

I can't find the family in 1841 but in 1851 (HO107 Piece 1584 Folio 234 Page 14) each of Michael & Margaret claim to be aged 50 and born Ireland.  He is listed as a Tanner as he is on daughter Sarah's marriage in June 1854 to John Austin - which is why I am at a loss as to her birthdate which presumably can't be about 1840 as suggested by the 1851 census as she would only then be 14 at marriage in 1854 although both were stated to be minors.

I lose Margaret after 1851 but this is Michael in 1861 (RG9 Piece 283 Folio 128 Page 42) when he is a lodger aged 60 a ?? labourer and from Cork, Ireland stating that he is married and in 1871 (RG10 Piece 744 Folio 53 Page 45) when he is again a lodger from Cork, Ireland but this time widowed and occupation of ?????

I believe his death is registered Oct 1873 in Greenwich RD - I do not as yet have this certificate.

So to summarise both Michael Murphy & Margaret Broshen seem to have been born around 1800 in Ireland, he in Cork and unknown for her.

Just thinking about trying to take this backwards to find either set of my Irish 5 x great grandparents and wondering if there is any mileage in doing so?

I have not undertaken any Irish research previously and was hoping for a few pointers if anyone thinks there might be something to find.

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 January 16 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Blow me down - have just done a search and found the family in 1841 (HO107 Piece 488 Book 15 Folio 14 Page 20) but which simply confirms most of the info above except that Michael is aged 40 and Margaret 35 so they are possibly not both born about 1800.

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 January 16 17:53 GMT (UK) »
If they had married in Ireland you might have had a chance but as it is without parents names looking for a Michael Kelly in Cork at most dates would give too many results, but at such an early date there are very few records surviving.

Broshen gives no result on IrishGenealogy at all, it could perhaps be Brosnen.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

Was there no parents on the marriage record?

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 January 16 19:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sinann, Michael Murphy rather than Michael Kelly but assume that is just as bad.

No parents given at marriage - it is too early.

As for Broshen, one transcription of the marriage is Margaret Rosken rather than Broshen - is that more likely.

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 January 16 20:03 GMT (UK) »
I keep doing that lately, Kelly was a different search. Murphy is worse, most common name in Ireland.

You can try out surnames here http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=Go.&UserID=

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 January 16 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps Brosnahen. ???

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 January 16 12:00 GMT (UK) »
More common is Brosnan, but could also be Kerry as Brosnan very common there too. But I think it is like searching for a needle in a haystack with both names.

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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 March 17 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi, have brought this topic back as Ancestry has come up with a hint as to Michael Murphy's birth and wanted to run it past those with knowledge of Irish research.

The source of the hint are the National Irish Registers from the National Library of Ireland, Dublin.  The baptism is on 15 September 1799 at St. Mary's, Cork City, Cork, Ireland, Diocese Cork & Ross for a Michael Murphy born in 1799 to Ricd (assume Richard) Murphy and Johanna Hide.  Sponsors could be James Neil and Nony? Murphy and also a Thomas O'Connor who looks as if he sponsors all baptisms so may be the priest.

All this fits with my previous info that Michael was born around 1800 in Cork but what seems an added extra to me is that Michael's youngest daughter was baptised Johanna - although know as Hannah.

Any comments?  Should I take this at face value or are there too many Michael Murphy's born Cork c.1800 too place any faith in this?

Thanks, Pheno
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Re: Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 March 17 21:01 BST (UK) »
Best bet might be try a DNA test. Our records are not good for that far back and far too many Murphys. Yes Brosnan is most common spelling, lots of them in Kerry especially.