Murphy & Broshen from Cork - do I have a chance?

[Pheno]

Hi, am still trying to find something about these two - have taken a dna test but no matches at present.  However, all Michael & Margaret's children were baptised catholic.  I just wondered whether, although they married in C of E church in Deptford in 1826 I think this was because marriages in a catholic church were not valid at this date.

Is it possible that they also married in a catholic church, which I imagine might give more info, and if so can anyone find such a record please?

Thanks, Pheno

[hurworth]

Have you found the birth registrations for any of the children born after 1837?

There's these births on the GRO index in Greenwich. 

MURPHY, ELLEN       BROSAN     Order
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in GREENWICH UNION  Volume 05  Page 209   Order
MURPHY, JOHANNA       BROSON     Order
GRO Reference: 1840  S Quarter in GREENWICH UNION  Volume 05  Page 195   Order
 

[Pheno]

Yes thanks Hurworth, have plenty of info coming forward.

Just trying any way I can think of to glean any clue as to specifically where in Ireland they might originate.  I read somewhere that although catholics had to get married in a c of e church they often also married in a catholic church.

Pheno

[hurworth]

FindMyPast is the best place for Catholic parish records.  Hopefully there are more records to come.

They don't have this marriage.

To be honest, I don't think you'll find it.  For starters, when they say Cork you don't know whether they mean the city or the county.  I'm in the same boat with a Julia Brown/e who census records said was born in Ireland (and she didn't age 10 years every decade) in the first decade of the 1800s .
 On her last census before she died she said she was born in Cork. 

[Maiden Stone]

Some early Catholic registers were transcribed and published by Catholic Record Society (CRS) 100 years ago in CRS journals. Some of these are available on the Internet Archive.
 https://archive.org/search.php?query=Catholics
Some journals contain many topics so it's necessary to open those to check contents pages.

Catholic Family History Society
https://catholicfhs.wordpress.com

I looked up Deptford on GEN UKI but didn't see a Catholic church mentioned.

Even if there was a record of a Catholic wedding it might not help you. There may have been different witnesses to C of E. ceremony.

[Pheno]

Hi, bringing this back again as I may have something from a dna match although we don't have any matching names in our trees.

He is American of Irish ancestry and the two in the title above are my only Irish links.  He has a very small ancestry tree so I did some research myself which he has just confirmed which suggests his ancestry is from a Michael Kel(l)eher and an Honora Cronin who married 20 Feb 1866 in Cork, I think.  They had 5 sons and 2 daughters.

It seems that Honora Cronin might have had a brother Daniel Cronin who married a Julia Murphy possibly in Schull East, Cork.  Possibly this Julia Murphy was part of my Michael Murphy family although there is a good few years age gap.

As I have said previously I have no experience of Irish research and I wondered if anybody was able to find out if this Honora Cronin had a brother Daniel and indeed if he had married a Julia Murphy for starters.

Thanks, Pheno

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 Marriage of MICHAEL KELEHER of N/R and HONORIA CRONIN of N/R
on 20 February 1866
Parish/Church/Congregation - SCHULL EAST
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC)

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.east%20schull.p4804.00704

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This Search on


https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ 



will get Cronins, Schull East

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This Search will get Bros*  anywhere, anytime

Then from Search results click Cork, then 1800's folder to get them by Decade


If you want Kerry click Kerry etc...