Seeking 3 WEDDELL / WADDELL Brothers aft 1866

[ajjbc]

I am reaching out with hopes someone will know something.
 I am seeking 3 Weddell/Waddell brothers.
I last have them together on the 1861 census at Balleny Farm House,Currie,Midlothian.
 They were listed with their father John Weddell & step mother Mary & four 1/2 siblings.

Their Names & birth years are:
 Thomas Weddell born    c 1840 at Dunse,Berwickshire.
 James   Weddell born Oct 1844 at Fala,Midlothian
 Robert  Weddell born Jun 1847 at Lauder,Berwickshire.

I am beginning to believe that they "might" have immigrated to ,who knows where.
If any of these three brother sound like they might be yours,..do drop a line.
  Many thanks……Ann

[AMBLY]

Hi Ann,

Your topic title says you looking for them after 1866.

The message says your last sighting of them was all together in 1861 Census in the Midlothain.  Do you have some knowledge of the whereabouts of any one of them up to or in 1866?

And in case they may pop up as possibilities in places/documents that cite their mother's name:  What was her name & maiden name?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Forfarian]

I haven't come across this particular W*d*l* family before, but being interested in all W*d*l*s I did a bit of digging.

John Weddell or Waddle or Waddel (or any variation you care to think of) b 1803/4, Lauder, married Janet Mitchell, b1807/8, Lauder, date unknown
John b 1833, Lauder
Alexander b 1837, Lauder
Thomas b 1839, Duns
George, b 1841/2, Fala
James, b 1845/6, Fala
Robert, b 1847, Lauder

John married Mary Steen in Currie 1 August 1854
George b 1855, Currie
Mary b 1856, Currie
Isabella b 1858, Currie
Elizabeth b 1861, Currie
David b 1863, Glasgow
William b 1865, Glasgow

Mary Steen or Weddell married Alexander Nisbet in Glasgow on 26 August 1873.
James Nisbet b 1874, Glasgow

1841 census lists John Sr, Janet, John Jr, 8; Alexander, 4; and Thomas, 2 at Soutra Hill Toll, Fala
1851 census lists John Sr, Janet, John Jr, 18; Alexander, 12; Thomas, 10; George, 9: James, 5; and Robert, 3 at Balleny, Currie.
1881 Census lists Mary Jr, Isabella and Elizabeth at 65 Houston Street, Govan, with a cousin, Thomas Thompson, 15, born Linlithgow
1881 census lists Alexander Nisbet, Mary Sr and James next door at 67 Houston Street, Govan. Alexander was a coachman.

In 1841 John Sr was a tollkeeper. In 1851 he was a farmer of 357 acres.

So, John made a biggish step up from being a tollkeeper to a substantial farmer. Janet must have died betwen 1851 and 1854, when John re-married. They moved (why?) to Glasgow between 1861 and 1863. John died between 1865 and 1873, and Mary re-married, stepping down in the world from being the wife of a substantial farmer to the wife of a coachman. The girls set up as dressmakers, and the boys all dispersed.

Is 1866 the year of John's death?

Lots of food for thought there.

[ajjbc]

Ambly…Thank you for your interest and reply.
One brother,James Weddell,signed his fathers death registration in Oct of 1866 at Tradeston,Glasgow..
So I know that James was still around….It did not state where James resided as sometimes it does.
 So my quest continues…..Ann

[ajjbc]

Forfarian….Thank you for all your work.
  You wrote"Janet must have died between 1851 & 1854" Yes,She died in July of 1853.
You wrote "John died between 1865 & 1873" Correct,John Weddell died Oct 1866 in   Tradeston,Glasgow.
 This is the last place so far,that I have seen one of the brothers,James Weddell.
Everything else you posted is correct.
 Thank you for you interest and posting.
This is a great example how "RootsChat" folk always seem to reach out to help others…..Ann

[Forfarian]

One brother,James Weddell, signed his fathers death registration in Oct of 1866 at Tradeston,Glasgow. So I know that James was still around …. It did not state where James resided as sometimes it does.

It might mean that James resided with his father.

What did James say his father's occupation was, as a matter of curiosity? And who were John's parents?

[ajjbc]

James Weddell's father..."John Weddell" occupation was a Joiner Journeyman at time of death in 1866.
His father was also John (but spelt) Waddell.   
 No baby name books back them..LOL

[Forfarian]

James Weddell's father..."John Weddell" occupation was a Joiner Journeyman at time of death in 1866.

That's a really odd career - if he was a journeyman in his old age he must have been apprenticed to a joiner when he was young, because he couldn't have trained in the time after they left Currie, even if he had wanted to start training at the age of 60. Joiner to tollkeeper to farmer to joiner. Very curious.

Aha! This begins to shed some light - see
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/7192/page/169
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/7197/page/265
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/7261/page/1509

and maybe also
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/7672/page/1042

[ajjbc]

I spotted the different occupations as well and gave it much thought…but..I have 3 census records,plus death Cert…also 2nd wifes death,and all verify as well as some certificates of birth of children from the 2 wives.
Research is always a challenge for our curious minds……keeps us thinking.
   Thanks for the interest and chat.   Cheers  Ann