Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport

[Matti]

Maybe the PM was a little incoherent. As of November 1880 Charles and Mary were deceased, so the girls had to go to stay with their aunt in Pembrokeshire. That Charles who died in 1879 was born in 1810, which suggests that the younger Charles coudn't have been Godfrey's father.

I think the girls went to Pembrokeshire after the death of their mother in November 1880 or perhaps some time earlier, so their father must have died before that, and he is the older Charles...

If the younger Charles is ”the right” father, who is then the older Charles who died in Penzance where the family lived?

[keyboard86]

Hi again the " older Charles Barnes b c 1810 "could be in 1871 the Charles Barnes 59 married to a Salome and family in Penzance
Census ref RG10/2331/63/7?
Keyboard86

[Matti]

Hi again the " older Charles Barnes b c 1810 "could be in 1871 the Charles Barnes 59 married to a Salome and family in Penzance
Census ref RG10/2331/63/7?
Keyboard86

It could but the age doesn't match.

One day I found this information of his death:

Day Month   14-May
Year   1879
Parish Or Reg District   Erth, St.
Forename   Charles
Surname   BARNES
Age   69
Residence   St Erth

So he was quite sure born in 1810, and should have been 60 or 61 in 1871.

[Galium]

Death notice from The Cornishman 3 December 1880

BARNES __Nov. 23, at 1 Foster-place, Penzance, Mary wife of Mr Charles Barnes, stonemason, aged 51.

Note that Mary is "wife of", not widow.
1 Foster Place is the address of the family in 1871.

[Matti]

Death notice from The Cornishman 3 December 1880

BARNES __Nov. 23, at 1 Foster-place, Penzance, Mary wife of Mr Charles Barnes, stonemason, aged 51.

Note that Mary is "wife of", not widow.
1 Foster Place is the address of the family in 1871.

Does this then mean that Charles was alive that time? Or is it common to say that someone was a wife of a deceased person..?

[Galium]

It  means that Charles is still living - other death notices in the same column show widows as "relict of", and it is usual to make the distinction of  a woman being wife or widow of somebody, according to whether their husband is alive or not.

[keyboard86]

Hi again the " older Charles Barnes b c 1810 "could be in 1871 the Charles Barnes 59 married to a Salome and family in Penzance
Census ref RG10/2331/63/7?
Keyboard86

It could but the age doesn't match.

One day I found this information of his death:

Day Month   14-May
Year   1879
Parish Or Reg District   Erth, St.
Forename   Charles
Surname   BARNES
Age   69
Residence   St Erth

So he was quite sure born in 1810, and should have been 60 or 61 in 1871.

Who was quite sure of his age, the dead man or those who reported it?
Keyboard86

[Matti]

It  means that Charles is still living - other death notices in the same column show widows as "relict of", and it is usual to make the distinction of  a woman being wife or widow of somebody, according to whether their husband is alive or not.

Ok then. Charles (the younger) was alive the time of the death of his wife. Why two of his children had to go to their aunt? There is no information when it took place, however. And Charles is not shown in the 1871 Census. Where was he?

[keyboard86]

  Possibly Army/Emigrated?
Keyboard86