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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Ok then. Charles (the younger) was alive the time of the death of his wife. Why two of his children had to go to their aunt?

In these days men worked long hours and maybe would not be capable of bringing children up on their own.  Just because the children are with relatives on census night it does not mean that it is their permanent residence.
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 19:31 GMT (UK) »
:) Possibly Army/Emigrated?
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Army: 35 yo in army..? Even so, wasn't he still the head of his family?

Emigrated: What kind of a father would leave five children and go abroad in search of an adventure?  :)

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 19:44 GMT (UK) »
 :) Hi again, just as you will find you must look at all avenues, possibly he emigrated in search of a new life for his family, remember Godfrey ended up in SA?
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Or he could be 'married' to a young girl and spending the night under a haystack in Surrey  ;D   ;D

'Longsdown Farm under Haystack'
Charles Barnes   48 born Harbury, Gloucs
Mary A. Barnes   28 born Allington, Gloucs
RG11/762 f112 p52

He would not be the first person to 'up and leave' his family and lie about age / birth place

Sorry I could not resist posting that though it could be him  ;)

ADDED  I can't see a Harbury in Gloucestershire  ::)
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 27 January 16 08:53 GMT (UK) »
On the online trees that you mentioned I have looked at the 3 trees that I can see and none of them appear to have a birth certificate for any of Charles & Mary's children to confirm Mary's maiden name.
They are all giving Mary's maiden name as Edwards and Charles parents as Luke & Elizabeth with no certificates to back up any names.
They have Charles as born in Mangotsfied, his occupation ag lab.

As you have sent for Godfreys birth certificate you will be able to confirm Mary's maiden name.  It will then be necessary to get the marriage certificate which would confirm Charles fathers name.  If as the trees say his father is Luke then there is a fair chance that the Mangotsfield Charles is yours.  This should make it a bit easier to search as we then have a better idea of where in Gloucestershire he was born and be able to eliminate other Gloucestershire born Charles Barnes like the one I found in 1881.

Just for information, when you see a certificate with the registration district of Penzance it covers an area larger than penzance itself.  This link shows the places covered
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/penzance.html

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 14:51 GMT (UK) »
The certificate came today. It seems to be the right one.

Mary's maiden name was Edwards. The certificate also explains why Charles was so ”invisible”. He was ”a journeyman”.

This is the same Mary, I believe:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVV-JQL3


It gives some information about her parents.

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Glad the certificate is the correct one. 
Charles occupation shouldn't make him invisible though it just means he has served an apprenticeship and probably works for someone else.

Familysearch is playing up on my computer at the moment so I will look at your link later.

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, so was this the marriage possibly?

Charles Barnes to Mary Edwards Dec qtr 1856 Haverfordwest 11a 1230
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 15:23 GMT (UK) »
Charles Barnes to Mary Edwards Dec qtr 1856 Haverfordwest 11a 1230
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It could well be. Godfrey was born in November next year.

This other one suggests that Charles was only 15 yo when he got married which does not seem realistic.

BARNES    CHARLES    —    —    1850    England & Wales marriages 1837-2008    Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales