Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport

[Matti]

Thanks for the information.

It seems that he had lost his father quite recently..? Is it possible to find any information on him?

[keyboard86]

Hi again,  looking at the original of 1871 Mary is recorded as being married?!
Keyboard86

[rosie99]

Mary possibly died in 1880
From freebmd (free to search)  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Deaths Dec 1880   
Mary Barnes    age 51   
Penzance   registration district 5c   196

In 1881 Godfreys sisters were staying with an aunt in Pembrokeshire
   
RG11/5414 f42 page31
Eliza Poulson   59 Married born Monmouthshire
Ada Barnes   16 bn Penzance
Emily Barnes   12 bn Penzance

[rosie99]

This is probably his birth registration from freebmd  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
December qtr 1857 
Godfrey Charles Barnes       
Newport M reg district    11a   180

If you purchase this certificate from the GRO it will give details of his mothers maiden name. This will enable you to locate the marriage certificate which should give Charles fathers name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

[Matti]

This is probably his birth registration from freebmd  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
December qtr 1857 
Godfrey Charles Barnes       
Newport M reg district    11a   180

If you purchase this certificate from the GRO it will give details of his mothers maiden name. This will enable you to locate the marriage certificate which should give Charles fathers name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Ok, I can do that. Is this (above) the information I need?

[rosie99]

Yes that is all the information you will need.   It will cost Ł9.25 which includes postage anywhere.

Rosie

[Matti]

Yes that is all the information you will need.   It will cost Ł9.25 which includes postage anywhere.

Rosie

Ordered. It will take a week or so.

Many thanks.

[rosie99]

Let us know what it says and whether you need further help.

Rosie

[rosie99]

Hi Matti

Many thanks for the PM.  As PM's are only really used for exchanging more confidential information and so that others are given the opportunity to help I will reply to your post here.

I'm a bit puzzled. There seems to be a similar family in the 1861 Census, but the name is written without ”e” Barns. All the names (Mary, Charles, Godfrey and Henry) match if ”Henry” is ”Harry”. Godfrey's birth place here is Bassaleg which is quite close to Newport where ”the other” Godfrey was born. So ”Bassaleg” could be ”Newport”.

The problem is the age of Godfrey's father which is only 26 in the 1861 Census (thus born in 1835). The other Charles was born in 1910.

In the 1871 Census there is no father with the family nor Mary (Godfrey's mother) was described widowed, ”Henry” is back to ”Harry” and the name has now ”e”. The older Charles died in 1879. What happened to the younger Charles? Could it just be an error with the age in the 1861 Census?
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The 1861 census that you are querying has been suggested by Keyboard
Charles Barno 26 occ Mason
Mary 31
George 3
Harry 1 b Pontypool
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26

The 1871 suggested RG10/2339/110/13
Mary   Barnes 41      Usk, Monmouthshire    (Married)
Godfrey      13           Newport, Monmouthshire
Harry      12           Pontypool, Monmouthshire
Edward         8           Penzance, Cornwall
Ada                6          Penzance, Cornwall
Emily  2 months   Penzance,   Cornwall

I am not seeing a Charles other than Godfrey's father    Mary is describes as married in 1871.  Information on online trees should always be verified. Do not think something is right just because lots of trees have the same information, it is often because it has just been copied on without checking.  Those trees do not have a death date for Charles bn c1834.

Rosie