Am I clutching at straws? Archbell, mainly from Tadcaster.

[BumbleB]

My surname interest in this area is Archbell, mainly from Tadcaster.

I have a baptism in Tadcaster - for James Archbell =

Son of John Archbell of Tadcaster (Barber), son of John Archbell of Tadcaster (Joiner) by Grace his wife, daughter of ? Johnson of Tadcaster and Mary, daughter of Thomas Lamb of Appleton in the parish of Bolton Percy, farmer by Jane, daughter of .  Born Tuesday, 11 August, baptised Sunday 26 September 1778.

I have never been able to find a marriage between John Archbell and Grace Johnson.

Today, I found a marriage between John Archbell and Grace Green - Tadcaster - 2 December 1733.  No further information in the register.

There are a couple of children baptised in Tadcaster to coincide with this date - one of them being John, son of John baptised in Tadcaster on 21 July 1734/5.

On looking further I can now find a marriage - 16 June 1723 at Thorner (7 miles from Tadcaster) between Richard Green and Grace Johnson.  I can't pin down a burial for Richard within the timescale, although there is a possibility in Pontefract (15 miles from Tadcaster) in 1732.

When Grace Archbell died in 1786, she was said to be aged 87, so a birth year of about 1699.  I can't see any baptisms for around this date for Grace Johnson.

Any thoughts, anyone?   

[clayton bradley]

It looks very plausible. If Grace's mother was a Lamb, is there a Lamb/Green marriage? cb

[davidft]

Re the 1699 birth possibly in Thorner, a parish in its own right (but does not appear to start on the IGI until 1728)

I see there is a Thorner Historical Society

http://www.thornerhistory.org.uk/

and a link eleswhere says they published a list of their parish records in 1980

THORNER : C 1606-07, 1632-35 (BTs), C 1623-29, 1636-1841, M 1606-07, 1633-39 (BTs), M 1655-1841, B 1606-07, 1632-39 (BTs), B 1623-25, 1655-1841; list of clergy 1606-1837 [Typescript.]
Published   : Thorner & District Historical Society, 1980
Author   Boyle, M Alison ed.

I did not see it on their website but they may be able to point you in the direction of a copy.

Failing that the LDS have copies on film and I may be able to access a copy at the SOG library but not sure when i will next be going

[BumbleB]

Thanks for the replies.

cb - don't think there is a connection between Green and Lambe as they are in-laws.  Sometimes these Dade registers are a little confusing.  James is son of John and Mary (Lamb), whilst John is the son of John and Grace Archbell (Johnson) and Mary is the daughter of Thomas and Jane Lamb.

David - in theory the BTs for Thorner are on FindMyPast from 1606.  I can't see any baptism for Grace Johnson there in the timescale - Wakefield 1692, Kilham 1694, New Malton and York in 1696.  Doesn't help that I don't know her father's forename either.

[dobfarm]

BuzzyB


Have you a PR copy of James Archbell baptism Tadcaster ~~~~If so can you Email me a copy

Sometimes the person (Stand in Vicar) who enters the entry get parents and grandparents names mixed up on dade entries

[BumbleB]

I'll do it when I get home tomorrow.  I know that errors occur - he who never made a mistake never made anything  and there are some in the Tadcaster registers.

[dobfarm]

Richard Green burial 1728 All Saint's York - Bearing in mind Thorner is just off the main A 64 road Leeds to York and Grace ends up at Tadcaster on the A 64 road to & even closer to York

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/yorkshire-bishops-transcripts-of-burials?firstname=richard&firstname_variants=true&lastname=%20green&_page=2

[BumbleB]

Thanks for that.  Something to bear in mind, although the entry does say "Richard, son of Richard" which to me signifies a child, BUT.  On the other hand I can't see anything closer, in the right area, nearer to 1733.

[dobfarm]

Logistical Christian theology or basic maths

How many John Archbell's married a Grace in Tadcaster or surrounding area 1700's - not a lot of straws if it be but one.