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Abel Jones's parents
« on: Wednesday 20 January 16 15:49 GMT (UK) »
I have come up against a brick wall with my 3xGGrandfather the ubiquitous John Jones and his wife Margaret who were the parents of Abel Jones (1827-1897).
The only clues I have are from Abel's baptism record at Llanddulas Church on 26 August 1827. At the time the family were living at Rhyd y foel and John's occupation was Labourer.
In the 1841 Census Abel (aged 15) was a Quarryman resident (presumably a lodger) with Evan Davies, Gorlan-Penmachno. Abel married in Penmachno on 1 June 1850, his father John's occupation was now Farmer and I presume was still alive since the word "deceased" does not appear against his name. I also presume that Abel had some education in his early life since he signed his name on marriage register. In later life Abel was a minor poet with a poetic name "Abel Colwyn" which might indicate that he had a connection to Old Colwyn when a boy.
Any help would be appreciated.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 January 16 16:08 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 January 16 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello Glyn.  Have I got the right baptism in Llanddulas on August 26th 1827?  The image I have seen is for a Jacob or Abel Jones.
Mike
Davies, Bywater, Murray, Gaunt, Benton, Jones, Richardson

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 January 16 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike

Yes, that is the correct record. The Jacob seems to been added after Abel was written, not sure if John and Margaret couldn't make up their minds what to call their son. In all further references in censuses, newspaper reports and his MI the name Jacob is not used.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 January 16 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Glyn.  I assume you found John and Margaret in 1841?.If not there was a record of two people of that name living at Cae Gwyn, Penmachno which was in Caernarfonshire.  They had 2 daughters, Anne b. abt 1831 and Catherine b. abt 1835.  I found  baptisms for Catherine in 1835 and Anne in 1831.  Both had John and Margaret as parents.
Mike
Davies, Bywater, Murray, Gaunt, Benton, Jones, Richardson

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 January 16 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi the Abel you have living with Evan Davies is on census ref HO107/1395/ 5/23/ 6

John/Margaret etc are:-

John Jones 45 occ Mason
Margaret 40
Ann 9
Catherine 5
Hannah Williams 20
Residing at Cae Gwynn, Penmachno
Census Ref HO107/1395/ 5/38 / 15

Keyboard86

EDIT not sure if this is the correct John/Margaret as in 1851 all born Penmachno is what looks like same family above but with the addition of a John b c 1827?
Census Ref HO107/2508/40/13

Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 January 16 19:26 GMT (UK) »
There is a possible younger son  than Abel.  John Jones, baptised 10th September 1826 in Penmachno; parents John and Margaret.  In the 1851 census John and Margaret along with Ann and Catherine plus John Jnr were living at Maesol, Llanrwst, Denbighshire and John senior was a farmer of 100 acres.
Mike
Davies, Bywater, Murray, Gaunt, Benton, Jones, Richardson

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 January 16 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Mike and Keyboard86 for your detective work. I hadn't found the record in the 1941 Census for John and Margaret but I have now.
Initially I felt, that due to John's occupation being a mason, that they could not be Abel's parents since he should have been either an agricultural labourer or farmer. However, the 1851 census ticks one of the boxes in that John is a farmer which Abel and Elizabeth's marriage record in 1850 confirms. The John and Margaret ages are also about what we would expect. I will have to do a bit more investigation.
Thank you again for your help.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Abel Jones's parents
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 January 16 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Glyn, the 1861 for John/Margaret looks to be:-

John Jones 66
Margaret 60
John 33
Ann Davies 29 Daughter/Married
Margaret Davies 4
Residing at Rhydidion Fawr, Llansannan
Census Ref RG09/4302/9/11

Marriage 25th October 1856 Parish Church Llansannan

Jeremiah Davies occ Farmer abode Blaenywerglodd Father Thomas occ Farmer
Ann Jones abode Rhydidion Fawr Father John Jones occ Farmer
One of the witnesses was a Catherine Jones
Keyboard86
Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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