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Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« on: Friday 22 January 16 10:32 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking for a Geoffrey Lawton or Griffiths born 7 December 1918 presumed in the Glasgow area.

We know his mother was Agnes Eliza Griffiths, however I'm not sure whether his surname would be Griffiths as he was known by the surname Lawton this is because Agnes married in 1922 to a Joseph A Lawton, she is believed to have lived with Joseph before this date so Geoffrey could be Joseph's natural son or could very well be a son by another unknown man.

I cannot find a birth reference for Geoffrey in the English or Scottish records as Lawton or Griffiths, he did attend Hillhead High School but their records just confirm he attended the school and do not give any more information. Does anyone know whether there would be baptism records available for this date?

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 January 16 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Vicky, there is nothing online for this period on baptisms and christenings. To research further, you would very likely need to know the church or be clearer on the area of search. Chicken and egg someimes isn't  :-\

What happened in later years? Did Geoffrey remain in Scotland or move away? Where did he serve his WW2? You may find, if you are able to request these papers, that his personal details would be listed there.

What was Agnes' approximate age when she gave birth to Geoffrey? If she had to work in the three years or so up to her marriage, maybe her family helped to take care of Geoffrey? Have you traced her details?

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 January 16 11:57 GMT (UK) »
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720931.0

Just adding link to post above as it has lots of detail that may help here.

Monica  :)

Added: Vicky, just been reading through the other thread...gosh, it is a mighty complicated situation  :-\
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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 January 16 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Have you got addresses for this period?


...I also wonder when at the end the court asks him if anyone lives with him Joseph says he is supporting his 'housekeeper' and 'her son' I do wonder if this was Agnes Eliza as she has a young son born in 1918...


See also that Agnes Eliza Griffiths was born in England from what was mentioned on the other post.

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 January 16 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Monica

Yes, um Geoffrey did move down to Ross in Herefordshire sometime later as his mother was actually from this area and when her marriage broke up she returned home, Geoffrey sadly went blind in an work related accident somewhere in the Glasgow area when he was a teenager after he'd left Hillhead high, and he was placed in a school/home for the blind in the midlands during the war, I've contacted any schools for the blind and the records office but sadly so far have not found anything yet. Sometime after this he came down to Ross and he died in there 2005.

Yes as you can see from the previous post with Agnes it gets more complicated, she was born in 1896 in Herefordshire, and was working as a servant in the Glasgow area (dont know how she got there from Ross yet) now Joseph was a commercial traveller and was in a court case for possible abandonment of spouse to different lady abt 1921/2 and in this court case he says he has a housekeeper and her young son at his house....we think this is Agnes and Geoffrey but we don't know if Joseph is the father. Agnes had another son by Joseph, he was much younger than his brother and he said that Agnes and him moved down to Ross from Glasgow when he was very small to live with her family, without Joseph or Geoffrey.

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 January 16 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Always hard on the children isn't it. No different today to what we have in centuries gone by  :-\

Addresses...what address(es) did Joseph give 1921-23 (marriages, court papers etc.). Was there an address given to where he was living with housekeeper Agnes? His two marriages?

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 January 16 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Joseph married Agnes Griffiths on 29 Sep 1922 in St Andrew Edinburgh, I don't have an address for this as I've not sent for the certificate, he married by declaration Eliza Q Daniels 11 May 1922 the address for the marriage was 31 Gayfield Sq Edinburgh,  The court proceedings give Joseph's address as 29a Howe St Edinburgh. The court papers say Joseph and Eliza Daniels met in Glasgow and its believed that Joseph and Agnes also met in Glasgow, and after their marriage that Joseph and Agnes moved back to the Hillhead area of Glasgow (probably because of all the court stuff as presumably their marriage was now bigamous) but I don't have an address.

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 January 16 13:43 GMT (UK) »
Just had a look. Agnes gives her family home (guessing with her father a farmer) for her address at marriage. Cobrey (not sure on this) Farm in Ross on Wye.  Joseph, gives 10 Wilfrid Terrace, Edinburgh, commercial traveller and a bachelor. Agnes, a spinster, and a clerkess. Marriage by Sherrif's Warrant on 26 September 1922.

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Re: Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 January 16 13:57 GMT (UK) »
The Valuation Rolls for 1925...there is one Joseph Lawton showing at 91 High Street Glasgow, a tenant in a house. Clicking on it, and viewing the image, can't see him there. 91 High Street listing on the image is commercial entry, likely tenants above?

Also, High Steet Glasgow...where in Glasgow I do not know  :-\

Monica
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