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Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« on: Thursday 28 January 16 10:51 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to trace the family of my grandfather Donald McInnes who came to Townsville in 1908 and married Mary Slattery in 1911. Prior to arriving in Townsville he supplied cattle, sheep and horses to the Australian army during the Boar War. He was born in Taree, NSW and was one of 10 boys and 1 girl. His marriage certificate states that his father was John McInnes (Farmer) and Mary McPherson. I have information of his time in Townsville but nothing before his arrival in Townsville . I would appreciate help on this search.

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 January 16 11:52 GMT (UK) »
How do you know he was born in Taree?
Have you looked for his birth certificate in NSW?  As it must have been over 100 years ago, it should be readily available if your supposition is correct.
It's cheaper to get a transcription - there are 3 agents available to do this for you and they will send it to you by email.

There is a Donald McINNES born 1886 (=25 in 1911) registered at Newcastle, parents Angus & Mary (21819/1886).  [John may have been his father's second forename, but the BDM registry often registers only the first forename.]
While Newcastle seems a long way to go to register a birth in Taree, bear in mind that in 1886 it may have been the closest place they could do this ???

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 January 16 13:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

May I ask about the Qld marriage certificate....

From that document, what information did Donald give about himself .....

Was there a middle name mentioned on that document perhaps?
His then age
His then occupation
His status .... was he a bachelor when he married in 1911
His Dad's name and occupation .... was Dad noted as deceased on that document
His Mum's name and any former names ... was Mum noted as deceased on that document
His place of birth

Civil Registration for BDM commenced in NSW in 1856.  One of the districts was then known as Manning River and Taree district's registrations commence from about 1885.   McINNES can have spelling variations at NSW BDM .... MacInnes, McGinnes, McGinness, MacGuinness, etc etc etc.... Until WWI the registration process was oral information supplied to the districts' BDM office, (often in the rural areas this was a part time function of clerks at the Court Houses).   The clerk had the ledger facing him, and of course he was standing at a high wide counter.   So the informant (mum/dad) not only needed to be able to read 'upside down' they also needed to be able to read the clerk's scribble, and to correct the clerk's spelling mistakes.  So, imagine .... Parents come to town to fetch their goods, go to the court house with the new baby and any older siblings, stand at a high wide counter, and after answering the questions the ledger is swung around and the clerk says 'sign here'....  Would you say "there's spelling mistake" or "I cannot read your writing" or "I am not able to read" or would you obey and simply sign or make your mark "here" ?   :)

Here's a link to NSW BDM online index.  It is free to search  :)
 http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
Here's the link to the Official Transcribers
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription

Here is a link to Trove, the free to search website from the National Library of Australia. There's digitised newspapers there.  Perhaps there's details about Donald or Mary or their families. http://trove.nla.gov.au/

The Qld BDM online index has the marriage as 2 August 1911, Donald McINNES and Mary Fredrica SLATTERY.  (#C3468)
There is a death registration for a Donald McINNES, in 1947 (C2509),  with parents as John McINNES and Mary McPHERSON   There is also a death registration for a Donald MCINNES with same parents names and a death in 1923.  (C2676)  So there is at least two Donalds to sort out.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/

Cheers,  JM

Add Here's a link to your earlier thread about Donald McInnes http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=660625.0,
 includes a live link to his obit.... http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/62901622 9 June 1947.... seems he was in his 80th year, so born about 1867ish....  :)

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 January 16 00:35 GMT (UK) »
From marriage certificate - Donald married Mary Fredrica Slattery at St Joseph's Presbytery, Townsville on 2nd August 1911. # status - bachelor. # birthplace - Taree Estates, NSW. # Occupation - Exporter. # fathers Name - John McInnes. (occupation - Farmer)# Mothers Name - Mary McPherson
From his death notice in the Townsville Daily bulletin on Monday 9th June 1945 - The death occurred in Townsville on Sunday night of Mr. Donald McInnes, In his 80th year and North Queensland -lost one of its most colorful characters. Generous to a fault, he will be missed by a circle of friends who are scattered all over Australia.
Don-McInnes was a native of New South Wales. He was born at Taree, on the Manning River, and. was one of a family of eleven children— ten sons and one daughter. After leaving school he took up butchering and worked at Lismore, where he delivered meat to farms on the Clarence River by punt, and took produce back to the town.
THE LATE Mr. MclNNES
Gold was being found in various places in West Australia, and young, McInnes went there, and supplied meat to -the diggers. Then he went across to the Rand, in South Africa. When the Boer War broke out he engaged, in the import of horses from Australia, and he also imported huge numbers of cattle and sheep. His activities brought him much success. He took an Interest in racing, and /often told of his disgust at losing a Johannesburg Cup— because the judge did not see the Mc Innes colors out wide under the box. From South Africa, Mr. McInnes went to the Philippine Islands. He opened a horse bazaar In Manila and did a steady trade In Stock imported from Australia, mostly from Townsville, where the late Mr. Jack Fanning selected many horses and ponies for him. Every trip to the East the old Taiyuan and Changaha carried stock from Townsville to Manila for the McInnes bazaar. It was in 1909 that Mr. McInnes came to Townsville. He had met with an accident, and broken a leg, and it was still in splints when he boarded the steamer In Manila. When he was well again he conducted his horse shipping business from North Queensland. He acquired a large area of land at Rosslea Estate, and built a comfort able home on the bank of Ross River. His holding included the present golf links and much other land, which was later cut up into blocks and built upon. It was natural for a man with his interests to become interested in Townsville racing. He raced several horses at Cluden, but saw the possibilities of race promotion himself and ran unregistered racing at Cleveland. Going back to the registered ranks, Mr. Mclnnes raced at Cluden again, and also became a bookmaker. He was very successful and built fine premises in Flinders Street, where he announced himself as 'the right man on the wrong side.'

Donald had died before I met and married his grand-daughter Anne but Nana Mary lived until she was 103. Anne and I had a lot to do with Nana Mary but she never revealed much of her husbands life before they married. Don was 37 and Mary 17 when they married.

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 January 16 00:58 GMT (UK) »
May I ask about the Qld marriage certificate....

From that document, what information did Donald give about himself .....

Was there a middle name mentioned on that document perhaps?  NO
His then age   37
His then occupation EXPORTER
His status .... was he a bachelor when he married in 1911  BACHELOR
His Dad's name and occupation .... was Dad noted as deceased on that document  John MCINNES, farmer (not noted as deceased)
His Mum's name and any former names ... was Mum noted as deceased on that document Mary MCPHERSON
His place of birth  Taree Estates, NSW

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18783228 Maitland Mercury 11 April 1874
cutting re McINNIS and accident to a son at Taree Estates, Manning River .

NSW 1870 Electoral Roll, THE HASTINGS
John McINNES, residence, Taree, Manning River Police District.
Henry FLETT, freehold, Taree House, Taree

http://austcemindex.com/cemetery.php?id=281  Taree Estate Private Cemetery

Greville's Post Office Directory 1875 TAREE
H McPHERSON, Dumaresque Island, farmer

NSW ER 1878 THE HASTINGS
John McINNES, residence, Taree Estate, Manning District,
Hugh McPHERSON, residence, Dumaresq  Island, Manning District.

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 January 16 01:07 GMT (UK) »
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18800250   9 Nov 1875 Maitland Mercury.

On Thursday, the 16th September, at Ringwood Station, Hunter River, by the Rev. Mr. Donald James, eldest son of Mr. John McInnis, of Taree Estate, to Mary Miller, third eldest daughter of Thomas Dunn, Esq., of Ringwood, Hunter River

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 January 16 03:01 GMT (UK) »
From my armchair, the following MAY and of course MAY NOT be connected to your Don McINNES’ ancestors.  But hopefully, these snippets will be encouraging for you to continue to seek out his origins. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/674035  Maitland Mercury 12 Oct 1853
John McInnes marriage.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTC1-KB4


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18901137 Maitland Mercury 16 April 1887
Died on 30 March 1887, at his residence, Dunmore, John McINNES, son of the late Duncan McINNES of Invernesshire, Scotland, leaving a wife, nine sons and four daughters and a large circle of friends to mourn their loss.   Aged 62 years.  Melbourne papers please copy.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB6-5CN8

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13575891 SMH 20 Dec 1884
McINNES-SPEAKMAN, Dec 10th, at the Scots Church, Collins St, Melbourne by the Rev George Dods, MA BD,  John Thompson McINNES, of Sydney, eldest son of John McInnes, Esq, late of Glendell Invernessshire, Scotland to Annie, youngest daughter of Edward Speakman, Esq, merchant Melbourne.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71736030  Northern Star, Lismore 12 Sept 1891
Hugh McInnes of Ballina, second youngest son of John McInnes, farmer of Manning River…..

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18697205 Maitland Mercury 27 March 1866
(Auction Sales at West Maitland)
Freehold Properties
Lot 1
Manning River 45 Acres (more or less) known as formerly the property of John MCINNES, and originally granted to Beattie and Simpson; alluvial soil, considerably improved

National Directory 1867
McINNES, J., Taree
FLETT H, Taree house

Here is a live link to an transcript from the Index to Bounty Immigrants.   It has a John McINNES aged 19, arriving on the ship Anne Milne 17 Jan 1842.   He was of Kilmallie, Inverness.  His parents names: Allan McINNES and Ann McPHEE.   https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL27-6XF

There’s at least THREE chaps named John McINNES in the 1891 NSW householders census documents. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKQ-NXTX  The Manning
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKQ-N82L The Manning
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKQ-FRKP Lismore


I think you may need to research the Wynter-Flett Taree Estates and the John McINNES of there before you go back any further generations.   


Cheers,  JM
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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 January 16 03:11 GMT (UK) »
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.asp?Page=NRS5316/4_4782/Anne%20Milne_17%20Jan%201842/4_478200140.jpg&No=6

This link should take you to the image of the passenger list for the ship Anne Milne's Single Men arriving 1842

Alex aged 18 and John aged 19, Ag labourers, both of Inverness  :)  perhaps worth checking if they are related to each other (brothers, cousins etc)

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Checking the alternative spelling for the ship http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2555541 18 Jan 1842  Sydney Gaz.

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Re: Donald McInnes from Taree. NSW
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 January 16 04:09 GMT (UK) »
MRS. CATHERINE BIGNELL

A former well-known resident of the Manning, in the person of Mrs. Catherine Bignell, relict of the late George Septimus Bignell, passed away at her home in Woollahra on Sunday last, aged 74 years. Deceased was a daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Mclnnes, ot Kimbriki, and after her marriage she lived at Croki, where her husband conducted a shop and was also employed on the North Coast wharf. Later she lived at Taree and some years ago moved to Woollahra. She is survived by three daughters and one son. A second son predeceased her. Brothers are Messrs. John Mclnnes (Lakemba), Donald Mclnnes (Townsville), and Daniel Mclnnes (Sydney). Another brother, James, died at Kendall. The remains were interred in the South Head cemetery on Monday afternoon.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/161993629

The death of their parents - John in 1902 and Mary in 1903:

 Obituary.

MR. & MRS JOHN McINNES.

[CONTRIBUTED.] 

It is not without feelings of profound regret that we note from time to time the demise of many of our old landmarks. Only a few weeks ago in one of your issues was chronicled the death of Mr. John McInnes, formerly of Taree Estate, and now I am informed of the death of his wife, who only survived him by eight weeks. Their married life was an exceptionally long one, having entered the bonds of matrimony in the year 1848 — hence they were 55 years married. From the Hunter district they came   to the Manning in the primeval days of 1856, and went through the usual ordeal of pioneer farming times, with more or less success. Their family consisted of 8 sons and 3 daughters, and of the latter only Mrs Bignell, of Taree survives them. The sons are all fairly prosperous in their various spheres of life, and it may be edifying to their many friends to know that they rendered every assistance that filial duty and affection could suggest to soothe the last years and days of their old and respected parents. It was the writer's mournful pleasure to pay a visit to Mr McInnes, only a few hours prior to his death, and was met with that genial smile so characteristic of him all through life. He was quite collected and prepared to die, suffering not the slightest pain, his affectionate wife administering to his wants with that zeal and attachment which made her revered and esteemed of all. Truly it might be said of them, "in life they were attached, in death they were not divided."

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/172996588

Mary's death notice:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71477884

16440/1902
MACINNES, JOHN
Father: ANGUS
WATERLOO

4200/1903
MACINNIS, MARY
Father: ARCHIBALD
WATERLOO

I cannot find this - "...Only a few weeks ago in one of your issues was chronicled the death of Mr. John McInnes, formerly of Taree Estate..."

I cannot see a marriage around 1848 in NSW.

Debra  :)