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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 January 16 21:42 GMT (UK) »
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I have found what appears to be him in later census in Kirby Muxloe with wife Elizabeth / Eliza A

That one gives a date of birth of 1848/49 in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census, so I think he is the one I mentioned earlier ie son of George and Eliza.
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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 January 16 21:44 GMT (UK) »
The 1861 England Census, the prison records and The Leicester Chronicle (20/10/1860 and 05/07/1862) all designate his occupation "Shoemaker".   

Jomot:   Do you have the appropriate citations please.

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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 January 16 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Possible baptism at St George's, Leicester  29 Oct 1845, William Foulds s/o John & Ann. John was a FWK.

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I have found what appears to be him in later census in Kirby Muxloe with wife Elizabeth / Eliza A

That one gives a date of birth of 1848/49 in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census, so I think he is the one I mentioned earlier ie son of George and Eliza.

You are right - I cant count  :-X

The 1861 England Census, the prison records and The Leicester Chronicle (20/10/1860 and 05/07/1862) all designate his occupation "Shoemaker".   

Jomot:   Do you have the appropriate citations please.

1851: HO107/2089/463/8
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 January 16 21:56 GMT (UK) »
This could be his fathers burial: 

17 Aug 1847, St Mary's, Leicester, John Foulds aged 44.  Burial No. 75
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.


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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 January 16 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Jomot,

I think the 1851 "FOWLDS" citation is correct and provides a good reference point.

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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #14 on: Friday 29 January 16 14:03 GMT (UK) »
Leic Mercury has a report from March 1860 in which one William Foulds was charged with stealing property from his mother Ann Foulds of Bedford St, Leicester (the case was discharged) -- is this him?

Added - interesting court report from October 1860 which presumably does refer to your William. The headline is "A neglected lad" and William's age is given as 14, occ shoemaker. He was charged with theft but the "Learned Recorder entertained great compassion for him, as he was a poor neglected boy, with no-one to care for him. He was glad to know that there was now opportunity under the new arrangements in the prison, for keeping lads like him away from bad companions; and he hoped he would attend to the lessons and advice that would be given him, so that when he came out of prison, Mr Marshall would give him a good character and some person would be found to take care of him. He should have given him a lighter sentence than he was about to do, but he tbought it would be for his own benefit to get the instruction imparted in the gaol"

William was sentenced to 6 months "with such hard labour as would do him no harm". However "a kind friend" promised that if William served two months extra, he would give him employmnet when he came out, a guarantee that William accepted.

Things must have been really hard for young William if prison was better than whatever his alternative was.

Unfortunately he reappeared in court on charges of theft from someone in Bedford St in Oct 1861 (1 month hard labour), Jan 1862 (he stole a sheet from the lodgin house in which he was staying, again in Bedford St -- 3 mths hard labour), May 1862 ("An incorrigible youth" - remanded until July when he was sentencd to 18 months - age given as 18, occ shoemaker).

So Bedford St seems to have been a bit of a focal point for young William, which would point me towards the earliest theft charge in Bedford St also being him, which would back up the suggestion above that he was son of Ann and John.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #15 on: Friday 29 January 16 14:25 GMT (UK) »
1861 -- Ann Foulds living alone at 8 Bedford St

Ann Foulds, widow, age 61, charwoman, b Scotland Montrose
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Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
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Greenfield (Liverpool)
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Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #16 on: Friday 29 January 16 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry has a possible workhouse siting; if William was sent to Parkhurst, he may not have returned to Leicester:

St Marylebone workhouse
William Foulds age 18; admitted May 18 1864 on orders of the Master (no previous address given); died 17 June 1864.
And his burial record (St Marylebone) shows his occupation as shoemaker, and that he was admitted to the infirmary (presumably as part of the workhouse) and died there. Cause of death phthisis.

Here's the freeBMD ref

Deaths Jun 1864   
Foulds    William         Marylebone    1a   349

Poor lad.
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Re: William FOULDS, born 1846, Ratby, Leicestershire
« Reply #17 on: Friday 29 January 16 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Excellent finds there Annie. 

Poor lad indeed.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.