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Re: Shaw
« Reply #27 on: Monday 08 February 16 04:50 GMT (UK) »
James Shaw and Grace Glover Clingan were my husband's 2nd great grandparents.  These are links to their Find A Grave memorials that I posted:
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137260096
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137260044
I have the information that I've been able to find on Ancestry (US).  I am trying to find more information on the Shaw and Clingan families.

Does anyone know if Grace's middle name (Glover) is a surname and which family that might be?  My husband's family had a tradition of naming every other generation (girls) were named Glover.  My husband's grandmother and his sister both are named Glover.

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #28 on: Monday 08 February 16 13:43 GMT (UK) »
Re the origin of the Glover name, as Monica pointed out earlier in the thread, there are a couple of baptisms in Crossmichael, an adjacent parish to Kirkpatrick Durham.
e.g William Clingan 28 October 1766 Parents John Clingan and Grissel Glover.

I note that in the 1841 census there is this entry in Kirkpatrick Durham
William Clingan 70
Mary Clingan 55
Grizzel Clingan 18
Alexander Clingan 15
Agnes Clingan 7
This might be the same William Clingan but hard to prove (note that adult ages are normally rounded down to the nearest multiple of five in 1841).

The 1841 census also has in Kirkpatrick Durham
Janet Clingan b 1876 Scotland
John Laurie B 1830 Kirkcudbrightshire
And in 1851 there is
John Clingan b 1773 mason b Kirkaptrick Durham
Janet Clingan b 1778 wife b Kirkmahoe Dumfriesshire

Janet's details in 1851 do match up with the Janet Clingan showing as Andrew Clingan's mother in the 1861 census. I cannot see a death for John Clingan and so suspect his death was between 1851 and 1855 when stat. reg. began in Scotland.

There seem to be two issues which need to be resolved (if possible!)
1. The apparent discrepancy in the birth date of Grace Glover Clingan between the birth date given for the daughter of John Clingan and Janet Wilson and the date showing on her gravestone.

2. The identity of Samuel Shaw's wife. Nicholas/Mary may be one and the same, Mary being a middle name for example but hard to prove. The book from Wisconsin states that Samuel's widow went there after her husband's death and died there. Might it be worth looking at passenger lists for her?

It may also be worth downloading some records from Scotland's People (it is a pay per view site). My suggestions would be
1. Look at baptisms of the children of James Shaw and Grace Clingan from the Old parish Records.
Sometimes there can be more detail than can be found using familysearch.
2. The death record for Samuel Shaw (should give parent's names, wifes name - the informant's name might also be instructive).
3. The death record for Janet Clingan
4. The will for Andrew Clingan might prove that he was Grace's brother if she is named in it.
5. The death record for Andrew Clingan.

Apologies for such a long post. This is an intriguing puzzle!

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #29 on: Monday 08 February 16 15:55 GMT (UK) »
I am from Wisconsin so have information here for James Shaw family but have been looking for Samuel and Mary Shaw parents of James

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #30 on: Monday 08 February 16 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Checked cemetery here in Wisconsin and found picture of new stone for Grace Glover Shaw


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Re: Shaw
« Reply #31 on: Monday 08 February 16 16:08 GMT (UK) »
1860 census for Mukwa,Waupaca,Wisconsin shows Jas Shaw for James Shaw and Gris Shaw for Grace Clingan Shaw. And for their daughter Grace it shows Gris.

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #32 on: Monday 08 February 16 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Here are 4 more MI's at Kirkpatrick Durham cemetery that relate to the Clingan family.
Hope this is of some help.

No 93
In Memory Of, John Clingan of Pipercroft
died 15 April 1809 age 72 years.
His wife Grizel Glover,died 18 july 1826 age 89.
William Clingan in Pipercroft
died 29 January 1859 age 93.
Wife Mary  Duff died 25 December 1856 age 76.
Son Robert died 16 August 1817 age 2 years.
On reverse of stone
Said William Clingan,daughter Grace
died at Maxwelltown 2 May 1897 age 78.

No 94
In Memory of,John Clingan,
died 14 August 1794 age 91.
Wife Janet Todd died 10 November 1798 age 87.
Son Alex died 21 April 1817 age 75.
Son Thomas died 6 February 1829 age 98.
On reverse of stone
Sarah Clingan died Corsehill
17 February 1857 age 81.
Sister Agnes Clingan died Corsehill
17 February 1860 age 79.
No 122
Maggie Jane Clingan died Kirkpatrick Durham
11September 1893 age 34.
Husband  Dr John Meggat MB CM
Died 15 January 1896 age 46.

No 123
Erected by
A Clingan.
John Clingan & Janet Wilson
In memory of children
Alex & David Lamont died 12 August 1822
in infancy.
G Daughter Jessie Laurie died 23 May 1830
1 year & 6 mths.
Daughter Martha died Old Green Law
16 June 1830 age 24 (Husband Alex Laurie)
Son James died Annan 30 November 1833
interred here.( wife Mary
Grierson died Kirkpatrick Durham 17 October
1895 age 75.
Son James Grierson died Kirkcudbright
33 March 1934 age 73.)

No 124
James Sanders died Crocketford 10 October 1865
age 46.
His wife Agnes Clingan died 15 October 1865
age 47.
Son James died 19 August 1863 age 18.
Son Andrew died 26 April 1877 age 68.

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Cotter,Liddane,Gibson all in Co Clare,Ireland.

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #33 on: Monday 08 February 16 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Very interesting, Matt. The first stone would appear to confirm the Glover connection. The address in the 1841 census I quoted for William Clingan is Pipercroft.

Don't suppose there is an MI for Samuel Shaw?

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #34 on: Monday 08 February 16 20:27 GMT (UK) »
LovelandCO
The Shaws that I talk about are in my family history and I am doing more research for my mom on this.
I live in the area where James Shaw and wife Grace (Clingan) came to in 1855. Grace died at the home of her son William and James died at the old homestead here in Mukwa,New London Wi. They had all told more than 500 acres here. Most of the graves are at Floral Hill Cemetery in New London Wi.
My Shaw family intertwines with the Sewall family in New London and other areas. I found a map for 1878 Mukwa Wi and it shows the area James and Grace owned. Do not know if you have this information but just wanted to sent it along.

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Re: Shaw
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 00:16 GMT (UK) »
There is an MI at Urr Cemetery which reads as follows...

No 271
Samuel Shaw died at Crocketford 16 May 1865 aged 78 years.
His wife Nicholas LAING died Oshkosh,West Cousin,
N. America 25 March 1869 age 68 years.
Rgds Matt

PS my records show i have a photo of this stone but it may
be awhile before I can get it.
Muir,McDill/Dill,Payne,Hepburn,Ireland,Rae all in Kirkcudbrightshire.
Cotter,Liddane,Gibson all in Co Clare,Ireland.

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