BICKLE in Devon

[patchwitch]

That could be the correct family living at California Row, Seaton. Seaham. However the birthplaces of the children are all wrong and I am not sure who Jane is unless Elizabeth died and Jane is a second wife.

He is shown as deceased on his son Richard's marriage certificate (1880).

In 1881 Richard and his brother William are sharing a house with Richard's wife Hannah nee Oakman.


1871 census for the chap who died in 1871
Class: RG10; Piece: 4978; Folio: 15; Page: 23
Seaton Colliery, Durham

Beckle, Thomas  Head  M  33  b Stoaverd(?)
Beckle, Jane  Wife  F  42  b Northlow
Beckle, William  Son  M  15  b Gunislake
Beckle, Richard  Son  M  14  b Gunislake
Beckle, Thomas  Son  M  12  b Gunislake
Beckle, James  Son  M  7  b Gunislake
Beckle, William John  Son  M  7  b Gunislake
Beckle, Eliza  Daughter  F  4  b Gunislake

[Milliepede]

I guess she could be Elizabeth Jane - do Elizabeth and Jane have the same birthplace on census (to be the same woman)

Or do you have the marriage certificate from 1856?

[patchwitch]

This is the 1861 census
Gunnis Lake, Calcote

Thomas Bickle mar male 24 Quarryman Milton Abbot
Elizabeth wife  31 Milton Abbot
Richard son       4 Milton Abbot
Thomas son       2 Calstock

I am as certain as I can be that this is the correct family as it ties up with the 1881 census.
No sign of a son called William on this census (if the 1871 is correct) so I will have to look for him as he may be with grandparents.


Archive reference   RG09
Piece number   1462
Folio number   12
Page number   18

[patchwitch]

Now I know why I put this family on a back burner..... I have found a William Thomas Bickle, grandson, on the 1861 census but he is with Richard and Eliza Ellis. Those names mean nothing to me - yet!!!!

It's possible that Eliza is the grandmother and it's her second marriage, or it could be a complete red herring.

[patchwitch]

I guess she could be Elizabeth Jane - do Elizabeth and Jane have the same birthplace on census (to be the same woman)

Or do you have the marriage certificate from 1856?

I think I will have to buy the marriage certificate 

Alternatively Jane may be Elizabeth and the census enumerator could have made an error. After all he has Beckle and not Bickle and has also omitted the county of birth.   

[KGarrad]

From Cornwall-OPC-Database:

Baptisms
6 March 1859 at Calstock (born 18 Feb)
Thomas Bickle son of thomas (a miner) & Elizabeth of Gunnislake

7 August 1864 at Calstock (born 29 March)
William Squires Bickle son of Thomas (labourer) & Elizabeth of Gunnislake

30 November 1866 at Calstock (born September)
Eliza Jane Bickle daughter of Thomas (labourer) and Elizabeth of Gunnislake


Burial
24 December 1868  at Calstock
Elizabeth Bickle    age 38
Residence - Dimson
After Coroner's inquest

A possible for Thomas's wife?

[patchwitch]

Wow, thank you so much. The "Squires" name does pop up elsewhere in my research although I wasn't certain enough to add it to the tree. I am guessing it was a maiden name somewhere along the line.

Poor Elizabeth, wonder what happened to her? I will find the local paper and see if there is a report of the inquest.

We live in Scotland but trip to the Devon / Cornwall border may be on the cards later in the year or next year. Only one Bickle uncle is still alive and in his 90s now, Thomas and Elizabeth's great-grandson. He has helped to identify a few people in photographs but knows very little about the family beyond his own parents. Even that is mostly hearsay and many stories can be disproven.

[Milliepede]

Burial
24 December 1868  at Calstock
Elizabeth Bickle    age 38
Residence - Dimson
After Coroner's inquest

A possible for Thomas's wife?

Calstock comes under Tavistock so how about this possible marriage to a Jane before the 1871 census?  If they are the right bride and groom that is!

Sep 1870 Tavistock
Bickell Thomas
Collacott Jane
Lamphee Ellen
Rowe William

[hanes teulu]

Re the 1871 Census entry "Thomas Beckle, 33, Stoaverd(?)" I wondered if the "Stoaverd"was an attempt to capture "Stowford", West Devon.

Close to Stowford is Thrushelton and FindMyPast has the image/transcription of the baptism for -
Thomas, bap 31 Dec 1837 at Thrushelton, abode Wollacott, parents William and Elizabeth Bickle, occupation Blacksmith