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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #9 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:01 GMT (UK) »
I was just looking at this family on your thread about daughter Laura!
.... which is at www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=741679
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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #10 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:27 GMT (UK) »
1911 census details removed

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355485.0


If William's age is accurate, he would have been born between early April 1852 and late March 1853. You cannot accurately 'calculate' a year of birth from the census, because the census is taken about a quarter of the way through the year, so that three-quarters of people have not yet had a birthday in the census year.

More to the point, if his age is accurate, he should appear as aged 8 in the 1861 census. FreeCEN http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl lists 45 William Duncans aged 6 to 11 in Aberdeenshire in the 1861 census (which is only 99% complete so there could be another one or two).

Once you have got your William's father's name and occupation from his marriage certificate, you should be able to narrow down the potential candidates.

Can you please say where in county/place terms where you found your possible candidates in the 1881 and 1901 censuses? The census indexes to which I have access do not allow me to search using piece/folio/page numbers.
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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the help!

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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:31 GMT (UK) »
1911 census details removed

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355485.0


The elusive Laura Winifred I Duncan was born in 1890, so either she was born before they married, or Annabella isn't her mother and William Duncan was married before...

Ancestry is throwing up an 1891 census entry for a Sarah W A Duncan in Cardiff, she is 7 months old (can't obviously see a birth record for a Sarah Duncan that year in Cardiff...); father William Duncan, marine engineer, b. 1853, Aberdeen; his wife, Ellen Duncan, b. 1854, Rugby...

May not be related, but the coincidence is worth investigating, perhaps...

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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:37 GMT (UK) »
FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl has a reference for a marriage of Annabella Moore In Marylebone, 1894, December quarter, potential spouses William Duncan and James Charles Lane, GRO ref Vol 1a, page 1210.

And it looks very much as if it is the William Duncan she married, as the other two names (James Chalres Lane and Elzabeth MAry A Styes) can be found on later censuses, with visiting Styles rellies to confirm.

So getting this marriage cert is the next step.   As we have found Annabellas father is called Thomas, that will be added conformation that you have the right marriage when it comes.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:44 GMT (UK) »


Ancestry is throwing up an 1891 census entry for a Sarah W A Duncan in Cardiff, she is 7 months old (can't obviously see a birth record for a Sarah Duncan that year in Cardiff...); father William Duncan, marine engineer, b. 1853, Aberdeen; his wife, Ellen Duncan, b. 1854, Rugby...

May not be related, but the coincidence is worth investigating, perhaps...

Ruth

Interesting  :)

There is a death of an Ellen Duncan aged 39, Bridgend Vol 11a Page 435

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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #15 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:49 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry is throwing up an 1891 census entry for a Sarah W A Duncan in Cardiff, she is 7 months old (can't obviously see a birth record for a Sarah Duncan that year in Cardiff...); father William Duncan, marine engineer, b. 1853, Aberdeen; his wife, Ellen Duncan, b. 1854, Rugby...

I just checked, and the original quite clearly says Sarah, not Laura. Maybe Laura in the index is a misindexing of Sarah? However I don't immediately see a death of a matching Sarah. Also I don't seem to be able to find Laura, aged 10, in the 1901. Must be using a defective index!

Also, of course, the original does not say that William was b 1853 or that Ellen was b 1854. The census never gives a year of birth. In this case it says that he was 38 and she was 37, so we can deduce that he was born 1852/1853 and she was born 1853/54. This exactly matches his age in 1911, which helps to increase the confidence level in the accuracy of his age.

If Sarah/Laura was not Annabella's daughter, then she shouldn't be one of the children shown in the 1911 census as deceased, as she isn't a child of William's current marriage. On the other hand, the marriage and children details in the 1911 are on William's line of the census return, not Annabella's, so he may have misunderstood the question and included deceased children from a previous marriage.
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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #16 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:51 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm, all the more reason to get that marriage cert to see f William had been married before

And, it looks as if Laura was not necessarily one of the children of the marriage, therefore we cant conclude she was one of the ones that died, after all.

So the Wakefield death for Laura(on the other thread - oh how I hate two threads about the same family) could well be a red herring
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Struggling to find Scottish records for William Duncan (b1853 Aberdeen)
« Reply #17 on: Monday 15 February 16 18:53 GMT (UK) »
There is a death of an Ellen Duncan aged 39, Bridgend Vol 11a Page 435

You forgot the year and quarter, JJen! December 1893.

So when you get the certificate of William's marriage to Annabella, it will be interesting to see if it says he was a bachelor or a widower.
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