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Offline lilybell

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Re: Looking for Bernard William Smeed
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 05 May 16 20:00 BST (UK) »
Found the following  from 1922 Toronto Directory

Bernard W Smeed emp Canuck Tool Mfg.Co.. Ltd. res 16 Algonquin Ave

I sent a request off to The Toronto Ref Library for a look up in the 1923-1925 directories.  They will do 3 looks ups per day.


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Re: Looking for Bernard William Smeed
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 01 November 16 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Bernard was my grt uncle.  My grandfather Ralph Smeed did not talk much about his family to my mum.  I think he left behind a lot of pain when he came to Newcastle.  Many family skeletons in closet!  I have done a little research and really believe that Bernard and Agnes got married. In Canada at that time is was against the law to marry yr siblings widow.  It is too much of a coincidence to believe anything else. I seen something somewhere that Bernard died in Sussex but they may have wrong guy.   

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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 00:48 GMT (UK) »
I have found the marriage of Bernard William Smeed to his brothers widow, Agnes Smeed.   As already mentioned, it was illegal to marry your brother/sister in law and Bernard did not marry with the name of Smeed, and gave ficticious parents:

Bernard Williams, salesman, 26, and Agnes Smeed, 28, widow married in Toronto, York Co., Ontario on 17th January 1922.   He gives his parents as Frank Williams and Mary Smith!!   (His brother John had married Agnes Baigrie Sept.qtr.1918 East Grinstead and had died soon after).  Agnes' remarriage to Bernard shows her parents as William Baigrie and Rebecca Dickson!

suemay - the 'Bernard' who died in Sussex was an Edward Bernard Smeed who was born 22/11/1895 Southwark, London and died Dec.1976 Hastings, Sussex.   (Bernard William Smeed also born 1895 but on 3/10/1895). 

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Re: Looking for Bernard William Smeed
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 21:23 GMT (UK) »
Bernard was my grt uncle.  My grandfather Ralph Smeed did not talk much about his family to my mum.  I think he left behind a lot of pain when he came to Newcastle.  Many family skeletons in closet!  I have done a little research and really believe that Bernard and Agnes got married. In Canada at that time is was against the law to marry yr siblings widow.  It is too much of a coincidence to believe anything else. I seen something somewhere that Bernard died in Sussex but they may have wrong guy.   

Hi Suemay,

I didn't know Ralph ended up in Newcastle so thank you for that!
Bernard was my 2nd great uncle because his and Ralph's sister Clarice was my great grandmother. It would be interesting to compare trees.

Kind regards,
Charlotte


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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 21:24 GMT (UK) »
I have found the marriage of Bernard William Smeed to his brothers widow, Agnes Smeed.   As already mentioned, it was illegal to marry your brother/sister in law and Bernard did not marry with the name of Smeed, and gave ficticious parents:

Bernard Williams, salesman, 26, and Agnes Smeed, 28, widow married in Toronto, York Co., Ontario on 17th January 1922.   He gives his parents as Frank Williams and Mary Smith!!   (His brother John had married Agnes Baigrie Sept.qtr.1918 East Grinstead and had died soon after).  Agnes' remarriage to Bernard shows her parents as William Baigrie and Rebecca Dickson!

suemay - the 'Bernard' who died in Sussex was an Edward Bernard Smeed who was born 22/11/1895 Southwark, London and died Dec.1976 Hastings, Sussex.   (Bernard William Smeed also born 1895 but on 3/10/1895). 

Annette

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Re: Looking for Bernard William Smeed
« Reply #23 on: Friday 14 April 17 08:14 BST (UK) »
Bernard William Smeed and Agnes Baigrie Smeed had two children in Canada, Bernard Lancelot Smeed and Vera Avril Smeed. I am the daughter of Vera. Bernard and Agnes were my beloved Grandma and Grandpa. My name is Janet Lynn Tomkins and I live in Toronto Canada. I am today returning from attending the 100th Anniversary Commemoration of Vimy. I have photographs of Jack, Bernard and Albert and visited Jack's grave in Ontario Cemetery near the Canal du Nord yesterday.

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 14 April 17 10:01 BST (UK) »
Oh wow Lynn its nice to (kinda) meet you! Did you know much about Bernard's family in England? If you wouldn't mind sharing your photos they would be very interesting to see.

Charlotte x

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« Reply #25 on: Friday 14 April 17 12:29 BST (UK) »
I really do not know anything about the English family other than that the Smeeds were originally German. Grandpa used to tell me about his great aunt Ann (his grandfather's sister) who spoke only German and kept the turkeys on the family farm.  My grandparents didn't really speak of the English family in East Grinstead and my mother never knew much or heard from her Smeed grandparents or relatives. I did hear that my grandfather's mother (who I was told was French) did not like my grandmother (Agnes) which now makes sense if Agnes was married to Jack and then married Bernard when Jack was killed at the Bourlon Wood in the last 100 days of WWI. I only found out that Albert existed a few weeks ago and knew nothing of any other siblings until I was on this website (while waiting for my plane). But many things make sense, the estrangement from family and staying in Canada, the difference in ages of my grandparents and the almost total silence about the past. What is your connection to the Smeed family?

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« Reply #26 on: Friday 14 April 17 13:37 BST (UK) »
I really do not know anything about the English family other than that the Smeeds were originally German. Grandpa used to tell me about his great aunt Ann (his grandfather's sister) who spoke only German and kept the turkeys on the family farm.  My grandparents didn't really speak of the English family in East Grinstead and my mother never knew much or heard from her Smeed grandparents or relatives. I did hear that my grandfather's mother (who I was told was French) did not like my grandmother (Agnes) which now makes sense if Agnes was married to Jack and then married Bernard when Jack was killed at the Bourlon Wood in the last 100 days of WWI. I only found out that Albert existed a few weeks ago and knew nothing of any other siblings until I was on this website (while waiting for my plane). But many things make sense, the estrangement from family and staying in Canada, the difference in ages of my grandparents and the almost total silence about the past. What is your connection to the Smeed family?

Hi lynn
Bernard was my 2nd great uncle because his and Ralph's sister Clarice was my paternal great grandmother.