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Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« on: Thursday 18 February 16 03:42 GMT (UK) »
Parents Mary Ann Wilson & Robert Leckie of Calton, both died young, brothers raised in Quarriers home Bridge of Weir (1901 census). No record of Robert in 1911 census. Daniel married Janet Henderson, moved to Clydebank. They never saw each other again. Ships list to US or Canada do not match birth year, or on next census. Cannot match any death record for Robert Leckie in UK or Canada or US. 90 year-old nephew would like to solve this mystery, maybe locate relatives.
Ayrshire - Aird, Kennedy, Stevenson
Bellshill - Allan, Haney
Clydebank - Henderson, Leckie, White
Croydon Surrey - Ridley, Baxter, Giles, Histed, Spencer
Edinburgh - Allan, Mathew, Swanson, Rough/Ruff
Glasgow - Leckie, McLaughlin, Wilson
Motherwell - Underwood
Paisley - Docherty, Haney/Heaney
Prestonpans/Tranent - Donaldson
Rutland - Eglesfield, Swann
Shropshire - Shepherd, Tonks, Underwood
Ireland - Allan, Docherty, Heaney

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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 February 16 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Do you have his exact birthdate? (e.g. from birth certificate).
Remember that censuses may have inaccurate details, especially if he was not giving the entry himself (e.g. working as hired man on a farm).

You can also ask the Quarriers for a record search (25 quid for copies)
https://quarriers.org.uk/about-us/genealogy/

Many young persons under the care of the Quarriers were migrated to Canada (home children) or Australia.
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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 May 16 07:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your reply. I did get a transcript from Quarriers, it really confirmed what l already knew. Robert was born in 1882, too old to be a home child but l do believe he emigrated to US or Canada. Reasons: not on the 1911 census, no record of a UK death or of WW1 service, no marriage record,  used many Scotland's People credits for the wrong records with no trace of a death or marriage, no contact with his family after leaving Quarriers. Sent letters to every Leckie in Scottish phone books with only 2 replies both of whom were not related.
Passenger lists contain several possibilities (only one to Halifax with actual 1882 birth date) but with no indication of where he might have settled. Checked census, death and marriage records in both US and Canada with no results. At a loss where to go now and about to give up. He had to have died sometime, somewhere !!!
Ayrshire - Aird, Kennedy, Stevenson
Bellshill - Allan, Haney
Clydebank - Henderson, Leckie, White
Croydon Surrey - Ridley, Baxter, Giles, Histed, Spencer
Edinburgh - Allan, Mathew, Swanson, Rough/Ruff
Glasgow - Leckie, McLaughlin, Wilson
Motherwell - Underwood
Paisley - Docherty, Haney/Heaney
Prestonpans/Tranent - Donaldson
Rutland - Eglesfield, Swann
Shropshire - Shepherd, Tonks, Underwood
Ireland - Allan, Docherty, Heaney

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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 May 16 09:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Sarah,

Can I just clarify please?
Is Robert, at age 18/19, listed on the 1901 Census at Quarriers Home Bridge of Weir?   
Does he have an occupation?

Looby :)


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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 May 16 09:19 BST (UK) »
Was just going to ask that Looby  :D

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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 May 16 09:32 BST (UK) »
The Robert Leckie Sarah refers to sailing on the Mongolian in 1907 to Halifax , Nova Scotia has an occupation of Gardener born in Lanarkshire. The handwritten word gardener has been overlayed with a rubber stamp of Railroad Labourer. So it looks like this Robert along with many more on the manifest had been recruited and shipped to Canada to build railways.

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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 May 16 09:51 BST (UK) »
Checked census, death and marriage records in both US and Canada with no results. At a loss where to go now and about to give up. He had to have died sometime, somewhere !!!

Unfortunately the U.S. and Canada do not have centralised vital records and many of the states and provinces have strict privacy laws which means that such records will not be available online (or sometimes access greatly restricted to the individual concerned or close family members).
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 May 16 14:08 BST (UK) »
If you don't already have his birth certificate, I would recommend trying to get that.  The day and month may be more revealing than the year, because I've seen many immigrants to the US whose birth year changed a bit in either direction throughout their lives.  He's of the right age that, if he was in the US around WWI & WWII, we might be able to find a draft registration card which lists date of birth and sometimes the place.

I wouldn't rule out a passenger list where the age is off a bit if all the other information fits.  You could always follow the person forward and see if there are any other clues from later records.

If you haven't done so, I would recommend checking out grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins on both sides of his family.  He could have wound up with them somewhere else.

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Re: Where is Robert Leckie (b1882-Glasgow), brother of Daniel.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 May 16 14:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you all. Robert's date of birth was Feb 23/1882 and he was an assistant gardener at Quarriers, which ties in with the passenger list.No indication of the date he left Quarriers but had run off several times with a James Carson to find cousins in Glasgow. The term "recruited" caught my eye - by whom? How do I research that and access those records - ads in old newspapers??? If it was organized through Quarriers, it would be in their transcript to me as brother Daniel's record shows employment, marriage and army details but nothing on Robert after the 1991 census.
Ayrshire - Aird, Kennedy, Stevenson
Bellshill - Allan, Haney
Clydebank - Henderson, Leckie, White
Croydon Surrey - Ridley, Baxter, Giles, Histed, Spencer
Edinburgh - Allan, Mathew, Swanson, Rough/Ruff
Glasgow - Leckie, McLaughlin, Wilson
Motherwell - Underwood
Paisley - Docherty, Haney/Heaney
Prestonpans/Tranent - Donaldson
Rutland - Eglesfield, Swann
Shropshire - Shepherd, Tonks, Underwood
Ireland - Allan, Docherty, Heaney