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Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« on: Friday 19 February 16 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Greetings from a new member and rank amateur  :)

Firstly, I am amazed at the knowledge of some of you and the time that you give up freely to assist others. I am rather new to this game, so please be gentle!  :) :) :)

Gordon McKenzie (B.1805) married Elizabeth (Betsy) Bruce (B.1811) at Loth parish church on 03 Jan 1834. Elizabeth had brother William (1806) and sister Eppy (1821). Elizabeth's father was Hugh Bruce (B. Loth 1786, D. Assynt 1841).

They had children Betty, Jane, Johanna, Gordon, Dorothy, Alexanderina and James.
Jane (B.1840) came to Glasgow at some point and is my great, great, grandmother.

I am looking for details of any siblings, parents and grandparents for Gordon McKenzie, or the mother, parents and grandparents of Elizabeth Bruce?

Any help would be very gratefully appreciated please?

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 February 16 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

If Gordon & Elizabeth died anytime from 1855 onwards in Scotland - their respective death certs will give their parents names and mothers maiden name

You can search Scotlands People for their deaths.  It is a pay site but you can download copies of their death certs via purchase of credits

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 February 16 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi again

I should have looked on Family Search before I posted that last reply

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X18B-QHN


Ignore - just seen that you posted her father was Hugh.   

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 February 16 23:09 GMT (UK) »
According to the 1851 census - Betsy was born in Kildonan - not Loth
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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 February 16 23:21 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 Gordon is also in the household.  Betsy is shown as Betty b 1809 Kildonan and Gordon b 1807 also Kildonan

Children as stated in your opening post.

I really think you need to look for their death certs - see this baptism

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 February 16 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Might Gordon have come from a maiden name of a mother or grandmother in the family
like my Uncle Gordon his great grandmother b 1812 Kildonan was a Janet Mackay Gordon and married Alexander McKenzie of Loth

also my late brother was a Gordon McKenzie

Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 February 16 18:22 GMT (UK) »
I have Gordon with brothers Samuel and Simpson (twins), Hugh and sister Margaret; parents John McKenzie and Jane Murray

"An 1826 militia list for Loth Sutherland copied from  internet site: http://www.countysutherland.co.uk/40.html has:
MACKENZIE
Donald, labourer, East Helmsdale, under 30; Donald, merchant, Helmsdale, over 30; George, labourer, Navidale, under 30; George, junior, labourer, East Helmsdale, over 30; Gordon, cooper, Helmsdale, under 30; Hugh, cooper, Helmsdale, under 30;"

"1841 Census Parish: Loth; ED: 4; Page: 6 for Gartymore, Sutherland
Gordon McKenzie age 30 a cooper
Betty McKenzie age 30; Mary age 7, Ann age 6, Betty age 3, Jean age 1"

1851 Census Parish: Tarbat; ED: 2; Page: 29; Line: 17; Gordon McKenzie age 42 a cooper living as a lodger in Portmahomack, Ross & Cromarty.

"1851 Census for Gartymore, Kildonan, Sutherland
Betsy McKenzie Head, married, age 40 a crofter b Kildonan, Sutherland
Ann McKenzie daughter age 14 b Sutherland
Jane McKenzie daughter age 10 b Sutherland
Johan McKenzie daughter age 8 b Sutherland
Gordon McKenzie son age 6 b Sutherland
Dollina McKenzie daughter age 4 b Sutherland
Alexandrina  McKenzie daughter age 4 b Sutherland
James McKenzie son age 2 b Sutherland"

"1861 Census Parish: Kildonan; ED: 1; Page: 13; Line: 10. for Gartymore, Sutherland
Gordon McKenzie age 54, a cooper b Kildonan, Sutherland
Betty McKenzie age 52 b Kildonan
Jane McKenzie age 19
Johan age 18, Gordon age 16, Alexandrina age 13 and James ag 11"

"1871 Census for Gartymore, Kildonan, Sutherland
Gordon McKenzie Head, married, age 60 Crofter and Cooper 1 Acre arable b Sutherland
Betsy McKenzie, wife, married, age 62 a crofter's wife b Kildonan, Sutherland
Mary McKenzie, unmarried, daughter age 32 General servant, b Kildonan, Sutherland
Alexandrina  McKenzie, unmarried, daughter age 23 General servant, b Kildonan, Sutherland
James McKenzie, unmarried, son age 21 Ag Lab, b Kildonan, Sutherland
Gordon McKenzie Grandson age 6 b Dunbartonshire, Scotland"

"1881 Census Parish: Kildonan; ED: 1; Page: 6; Line: 23 for Gartymore Sutherland
Gordon McKenzie, widower, age 80 b Kildonan, Sutherland, a cooper
James McKenzie, son, unmarried, age 28 a general labourer b Sutherland
Mary McKenzie, daughter, unmarried, age 46 general servant
Alexr McKenzie, grandson, age 5, a scholar b Kildonan, Sutherland"

Gordon McKenzie died 12 August 1885 in Gartymore: from Ancestry

Web site www.glendiscovery.com has: Gordon McKenzie b 25 Jan 1845 Kildonan parish, Sutherland, Scotland Father Gordon McKenzie, Mother Betty Bruce;  Births for Ann, Betty Johanna and Jane also listed

Hope this helps

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 September 19 22:56 BST (UK) »
Hi there, just sitting going through my family tree and you seem to have the same one?

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Re: Gordon McKenzie B.1805, Loth & Elizabeth Bruce B.1811, Loth, Sutherland
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 September 19 23:14 BST (UK) »
Can you post 2 more post to this thread then I can contact you via a PM I am not at home at the moment to check my family tree
Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth