French marriage between James Crosgrove and Elizabeth Caird on the 04/12/1852

[jorose]

My usual reminder that relatively little for France is on the big English-language sites, and much of what is online is not readily name searchable (those records on familysearch are for Quimper et Léon Diocese which does not cover Brest).

Finistere (the department for Brest) archives are online but their marriage does not show up in Brest civil records - seems to be not unusual, where the marriage took place at the consulate.  Births and deaths are more likely to show up.
http://www.archives-finistere.fr/node/306

Did they later go to the US? This looks like it may be them in 1870 and 1880, with Euphemia as "Phemy" and similar variants:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6GQ-367
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH9T-LFK

Two kids born in France (Mary, James).  You may be able to find their births in either the Brest area or possibly over where Elizabeth's family were living.

Mary died in Ohio soon after the 1870 census but place of birth in France not listed:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F6V5-LM2

[Gmitch47]

Hi jorose,
Thanks for all that additional information.
I had found out about some born in France this morning but not searched yet
Also about them emigrating to America and the kids that were born there did see the 1880 census
also where and when James died on find a grave I have quite a lot to search out.
Thanks very much again for all your help

gmitch47

[Gmitch47]

French Marriage now completed
Thanks to everyone

gmitch47

[davidqueneherve]

Hi,

Brest has its own website

http://archives.mairie-brest.fr/4DCGI/Web_RegistresLance/ILUMP17152

Two children born in Pencran (Finistère) Marie Augustine COSGROVE in 1854 and Gimes Ciard COSGROVE in 1856

The family in the 1856 census

http://mnesys-portail.archives-finistere.fr/?id=viewer&doc=accounts%2Fmnesys_cg29%2Fdatas%2Fir%2Fserie_m%2FFRAD029_00000006M%2Exml&page_ref=57206&lot_num=5&img_num=1&index_in_visu=

Frame 12/15

103

Village écossais (Scottish village/hamlet)

COSGROV James chef de ménage, peigneur, 32 ans
CARD Elisabeth fileuse, sa femme, 21 ans
COSGROV Mary, leur fille, 2 ans
COSGROV James, leur fils 3 mois

There is a small Scottish/Irish community in the village because of a factory in the neighbouring city of Landerneau (textile industry).

http://www.pencran.fr/vars/fichiers/histoire/Histoire%20de%20Pencran%206-2.pdf

[davidqueneherve]

Bulletin de la Société archéologique du Finistère
https://books.google.fr/books?id=zVLQAAAAMAAJ
Société archéologique du Finistère - 1980 - ‎Extraits - ‎Autres éditions
Dès avril 1848, des manifestations eurent lieu contre les «ouvriers anglais», les machines et les «grosses têtes». ... une caisse de retraite mutuelle pour les étrangers existait pour les 232 Ecossais dont le plus grand nombre habitait Pencran.

La Société linière du Finistère: Ouvriers et entrepreneurs à ... - Page 92
https://books.google.fr/books?id=2Xi2AAAAIAAJ
Yves Blavier - 1999 - ‎Extraits
3 - L'installation des écossais À l'exception d'une anabaptiste, de quelques catholiques irlandais et de deux Anglais de ... des célibataires logés à Landerneau et les couples invités par la Société et installés par celle-ci au cottage de Pencran.

There is still a rue des Ecossais in Pencran nowadays

http://www.cartogiraffe.com/france/france+m%C3%A9tropolitaine/bretagne/finist%C3%A8re/brest/pencran/rue+des+ecossais/

[Gmitch47]

Hi davidqueneherve,
Thanks very much for your information on the 1856 census I was able access with the link you gave me. The second post you sent I was not able to understand, apologies for not being able to read or  understand French
Thanks again

gmitch47