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Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« on: Sunday 06 March 16 15:10 GMT (UK) »
I have traced my ancestry to an Elizabeth Wilson, born 1837/8 in Breighton and married Thomas Coldwell in 1859 in Brayton. She shows up on census there forwards married and with children. It's the getting back that's the problem.

Her marriage certificate says father is William. There is a baptism in 1838 in Sherburn in Elmet, seems to be her. However, the only eligible couple appears to be a William Wilson married to Abigail in Aberford.

And then the problems begin. There is another Wilson family, with another Elizabeth, living in Aberford and another baptism a year before. People on Ancestry are muddled and I just can't cut through it.

Can anyone suggest a scenario for the elusive Elizabeth Wilson?

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 March 16 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

On the marriage cert what occupation is given for Elizabeth's father. Also what are the witnesses names as they can sometimes hold a clue?

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 March 16 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Sensible suggestions.

On the cert it says William Wilson was a Labourer.

Witnesses:
John Coldwell
Elizabeth Coldwell

I have always assumed these to be brother and sister of the groom, but they could be father and sister or even father and aunt.

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 March 16 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Possible scenario

Bear in mind South Milford is in the parish of Sherburn in Elmet

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sherburninelmet/

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You need to check original parish registers and original 1841 census  to confirm info, also  abodes in the parish registers but so far seems to fit locations

The 1841c is Monk Fryston -residence Burton (Burton Salmon is about 4 miles from Birkin parish village where William Wilson and Ann Twivy married 1829 in Birkin Parish)


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQPK-LTD

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW29-SYC

above link - Elizabeth Wilson bapt 1838 Sherburn in Elmet (abode probably South Milford)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J74Z-MHL

Elizabeth's possible brother George Wilson b 1835 in top 1841c link is the Key

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNRH-M6T

William Wilson X Ann Twivy marriage 1829 Birkin above link

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1841 as 2nd link down from top of page,- above

1851 c  Can't find Elizabeth Wilson b 1837-ish ??? (Could be a servant maid anywhere in another county-maybe her employer put her birth place down wrong  ???)

1851 c Mother Ann Wilson (nee Twivy) widow (of William)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVP-H4RP

1851 c Probable brother George Wilson b1835

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVP-HFXJ

1861 c  Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born Milford Junction

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7R1-X66

1871 c Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born Milford

1881 c Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born Brayton

1891 c Elizabeth Coldswell (nee Wilson) born Yorkshire

1901 c Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born South Milford



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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth


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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 March 16 21:28 GMT (UK) »
That is so amazing – many thanks indeed.

I don't know why this one has been difficult to work out. Perhaps because of the movement around parishes. I have also failed to spot this marriage in Birkin; again, I don't know why.

Must try harder!

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 March 16 22:06 GMT (UK) »
I think family search IGI is a good first tool geneology website as a simpler first step as a broad view picture than Ancestry or FindMyPast websites that are a bit too accurate for first steps and only to be used in the next level up of fine tuning searching. Not to be swamped in too much fine detailed bumph at first as can't see wood for trees but can see the wood being the forest of trees -> the broad view.

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 March 16 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Great advice.

Is it me or do the children seem rather spread out. Seems a bit of a "modern" distribution; normally there's children every year or so...

What I would say is that the birth year for George on the 1841 census does not match the baptism on the IGI. From this, do we understand there was a delay before baptism?

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 00:20 GMT (UK) »
 

A lot of children died in infancy them days and maybe reason for gaps also farm labourers


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Birth and Baptism same year 1835

George Wilson baptism 31st May 1835

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J74Z-MHL


George Wilson on the 1841 census age 6

Plus its says on 1841 census George birth year was 1835

     1841c
          6 years - (Minus)
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 = 1835 baptism year

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Re: Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 00:24 GMT (UK) »
Ah, I see this George now.

It's just I have a note there is one as follows:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J74H-SZ6

Must be different person – earlier incarnation?!

I also see a very large Wilson contingency in the 1841 Monk Fryston – a different wing of the family, perhaps?