Puzzle in Milford Junction / Aberford

[scatchardfamily]

That's incredible – many thanks! So, this will prove if it's her or not...

[scatchardfamily]

Must be Jun 1838 Wilson Elizabeth Pontefract 22 454?

[dobfarm]

As I said!  ask the advice of local register offices by the exact date born 24 April 1838 if they have an Elizabeth as national GRO qtr.'s index from Southport are a bit vague or hit & miss but the local registers offices ask questions on a form you fill in of what you know about Elizabeth also verbal questions face to face so to speak (or by telephone)!! to check against their original registers . Then and only then will they advise purchasing a certificate if your info matches theirs. Ie;- the exact (or very, very near ) birth date, as a known fact! father William and probable mother Ann, with  place of birth being as a known fact! Milford

Good luck with it all. 

[scatchardfamily]

Wow, I had no idea you could ring them up and ask for information in the register before purchasing?!

[dobfarm]

Wow, I had no idea you could ring them up and ask for information in the register before purchasing?!

It won't be like a normal discussion

You can ask general advise

You don't ask for info in the register- you supply them info you know about Elizabeth that can help them decide if its the correct certificate or not

Then they may ask additional questions of you while looking at the register and info you have already supplied ( asking for extra clues) then you answer

Like I applied for a death certificate in Chesterfield- They asked me if I had a parent or an uncle called Thomas with the same surname as my granddad (person [& informant] Thomas the son with granddad at death on the certificate I found out later after buying the death certificate)

You'll get the drift as you talk to them ('Cap in hand' best approach)

[dobfarm]

Must be Jun 1838 Wilson Elizabeth Pontefract 22 454?

Forget the national Southport GRO index with lots of BMD's missing and their numbers as local register offices have their own numbers of all BMDs in their area on original register books entries of the time / date year of entry as they happened on a daily event basis. In your case Milford or South Milford most likely now held under or at Pontefract register office

First job ask Pontefact register office if they hold BMD's register that covered South Milford and if not  ? which register office holds the BMD registers for South Milford

[scatchardfamily]

Still haven't ordered these certs but is it worth noting that, with the new GRO website and extra details on offer, the relevant possibles are:

WILSON, ELIZABETH WILSON GRO Reference: 1837  D Quarter in PONTEFRACT  Volume 22  Page 289
WILSON, ELIZABETH SYKES GRO Reference: 1838  M Quarter in PONTEFRACT  Volume 22  Page 342
WILSON, ELIZABETH SHARP GRO Reference: 1838  J Quarter in PONTEFRACT  Volume 22  Page 454
WILSON, ELIZABETH PICKERSGILL GRO Reference: 1839  D Quarter in PONTEFRACT  Volume 22  Page 412

Any views?

[scatchardfamily]

There is another William Wilson and Ann in Barkston Ash in Sherburn in Elmet parish for George Wilson baptized 1842 (birth year 1843 on 1851 census but no Elizabeth b 1837 ish on 1841c for this couple)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVP-HR84

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQP2-43R

I'm wondering why we think this is a different couple? Why can it not be the same? What I have found is that George's baptism shows the couple now living in Barkston Ash, hence tallies with the census.

[scatchardfamily]

Possible scenario

Bear in mind South Milford is in the parish of Sherburn in Elmet

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sherburninelmet/

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You need to check original parish registers and original 1841 census  to confirm info, also  abodes in the parish registers but so far seems to fit locations

The 1841c is Monk Fryston -residence Burton (Burton Salmon is about 4 miles from Birkin parish village where William Wilson and Ann Twivy married 1829 in Birkin Parish)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQPK-LTD

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW29-SYC

above link - Elizabeth Wilson bapt 1838 Sherburn in Elmet (abode probably South Milford)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J74Z-MHL

Elizabeth's possible brother George Wilson b 1835 in top 1841c link is the Key

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNRH-M6T

William Wilson X Ann Twivy marriage 1829 Birkin above link

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1841 as 2nd link down from top of page,- above

1851 c  Can't find Elizabeth Wilson b 1837-ish (Could be a servant maid anywhere in another county-maybe her employer put her birth place down wrong  )

1851 c Mother Ann Wilson (nee Twivy) widow (of William)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVP-H4RP

1851 c Probable brother George Wilson b1835

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVP-HFXJ

1861 c  Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born Milford Junction

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7R1-X66

1871 c Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born Milford

1881 c Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born Brayton

1891 c Elizabeth Coldswell (nee Wilson) born Yorkshire

1901 c Elizabeth Coldwell (nee Wilson) born South Milford



http://maps.nls.uk/view/102344965

And could not Class: HO107; Piece: 1283; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Sherburn; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 20; Page: 11; Line: 19; GSU roll: 464249 be William WILSON left behind by his wife for this census?