My brick wall with my Cromies /Crombies County Down Rathfriland

[garycrombie]

Was looking for some advice regarding obtaining information about Cromies from Rathfriland area. Being pretty new to researching I am trying to expand my 3rd great gran fathers family and gain more knowledge about or if he had more siblings. Thomas Crombie (1847-1915)and his wife Mary Jane Gibson (1847-1927) came to Ayrshire and settled with their family and had 8 children. To date I only have information regarding Thomas sister Elizabeth (1852-1914) and was wondering where I would look to obtain any information or leads. Thomas and Elizabeth's parents are James Crombie and Margaret McCullough

[hallmark]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/   when the pages are up and running again, supposed to be 12th march

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Waiting for Ros Davies website to reappear on Rootsweb, in the meantime, your facts
James Crombie and Margaret McCullough
children
1.   Thomas Crombie (1847-1915) and his wife Mary Jane Gibson (1847-1927) came to Ayrshire and settled with their family and had 8 children.
2.   Elizabeth (1852-1914)

My quick search covered the area of Drumgath and sometimes Drumballyroney

1796 Flax growers of Ireland http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/down.php
Crumie              Jane                   Drumballyroney                  Down
Crummer         David                Clonduff                                   Down
Crumrice         Gilbert              Drumballyroney                  Down
M'Cullogh         William             Drumgath                        Down

1827-1837   Tithe-Applotment-Books
Drumballyroney  http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/drumballyroney-parish.php#.Vt6a5cfHQ5R which is too long for here

Drumgath. http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/drumgath-parish.php#.Vt6YXsfHQ5S
Cromie, Davd.  Townland: Barmeen Year: 1834
Cromie, David  Townland: Cross Year: 1834
Cromie, John    Townland: Drumgrenagh Year: 1834
Cromie, Willm. Townland: Cross Year: 1834
Cromie, Wm.    Townland: Cross Year: 1834
Cromie, Wm.    Townland: Drumgrenagh Year: 1834
The database has no Gibson or McCullough listed

1864  Griffiths Valuation using only the quick and most useful index at http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
Cromie           Alexander     Ballykeel                          Drumgath     
Cromie           Andrew              Newry Street,Rathfryland           Drumgath     
Cromie           David                 Barnmeen                           Drumgath     
Cromie           James                  Cross                              Drumgath     
Cromie           James                  Newry Street,Rathfryland           Drumgath     
Cromie           John                   Drumgreenagh                       Drumgath     
Cromie           John                   Kiltarriff                         Drumgath     
Cromie           John                   Newry Street,Rathfryland           Drumgath     
Cromie           Joseph                 Ballykeel                          Drumgath     
Cromie           Martha                 Newry Street,Rathfryland           Drumgath     
Cromie           Robert                 Cross                              Drumgath     
Cromie           Thomas              Drumgreenagh                       Drumgath     
Cromie           Thomas                 Drumlough                          Drumgath     
Cromie           William                Cross                              Drumgath     
Crummie          Mary                   Newry Street,Rathfryland           Drumgath     
Gibson           Samuel              Kiltarriff                         Drumgath     Down
Gibson           Samuel              Newry Street,Rathfryland           Drumgath     Down
no McCulloughs but the next parish contains
http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
Mc Cullough   Thomas   Ballyroney   Drumballyroney   Down
then I would normally lookup the entries in http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/  where one can see homesteads on simple maps  6inches to the mile about 1864

Raymondscountydownwebsite
Researching ancestors in Scotland,   http://www.lanarkshirefhs.org.uk/
http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com (Official website)
http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.co.uk (Official website)
has a section Rathfriland County Down
Sadly for your connections his Births and Christenings Rathfriland section doesn’t start till the 1860’s
his newsletter index has http://countydown.x10.mx/html/index2.htm
82002   21 Apr. 1772   2   Conqueror property =Cromey,David. +Rathfriland let mares price leader judgescattle foal 15.   ADSTUD
91738   15 - 18 Feb. 1774   3   sold 20 Apr. stallion Conqueror prime condition price delivery creditremainder apply =Cromey,David +Rathfriland not disposed Joffatt horse fithunters cattle road covers mares price foal groom property altered attends+Castle!Wellan +Rathfriland +Newry market 15.   ADLIV
ADSTUD

Please look up the frozen website
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/cromie/125/ Rathfriland, Co. Down - Northern Ireland Drumlough. Ballygorian, Cross, Drumloug
By Sam McConkey February 09, 2012 at 04:34:17
who traces his Cromie family and becomes convinced as they all lived along the same road they must be cousins.     They are more connected to Hilltown.

That’s as far as I can offer, hopefully you may get abreakthrough with ros davies website.  That will leave church records. Ros Davies has her own church section and gives locations eg Familysearch.org, NIFHS, etc and the other source PRONI which you need to exhaust, also has an online guide to Church records.

good luck Ballyaltikilligan G

[BallyaltikilliganG]

            
I couldnt resist a quick peep at PRONI http://www.proni.gov.uk and noticed

Repository :   Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference :   D3000/66/1
Level :   Item
Access :   Open
Title :   Pedigree of the Cromie family, Drumballyroney
Dates :   1600s-1946
Description :   Pedigree of the Cromie family, Drumballyroney, Co. Down.

Repository :   Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference :   T2902/2
Level :   Item
Access :   Open
Title :   Log of voyage from Melbourne, Victoria,
Dates :   1861
Description :   Log of voyage from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, to London, England, in the clipper ship Norfolk of 1,100 tons burthen commanded by Captain J. Atwood and commencing on Saturday 13 April 1861 [written by John Cromie, Rathfriland, Co. Down].

There are Cromie manuscript family tree in the Blackwood Collection at the Linenhall Library Belfast but these are not connected ie Dublin, Clough co down lines

facing up to the Crombie Cromie variety of spellings, the Irish times ancestry has SURNAME DICTIONARY/ SLOINNTE NA h-EIREANN
Crombie:   rare: Dublin, Leinster etc. Ir. Ó Cromtha (bent). In Armagh 17 cent.
Cromey:   rare : Belfast. See Cromie.
Cromie:   numerous: N Down, Ulster generally. Scottish, from the placename Crombie in Aberdeenshire. Some confusion with Crombie and Cromey is inevitable. MIF.
Crummie:   Quite numerous: Down-Armagh etc. Scottish. Also variant of Cromie, q.v.
Ó Cromtha:   Crombie, Cromie: tá Cromie líonmhar in Ultaibh agus Crombie annamh i Laighin. Is sloinne Albanach é, ó log-ainm in Obar Dheathain ach bhí an sloinne Gaelach le fáil in Ard Mhacha sa 17 céad; mar sin, ní féidir bheith cinnte faoi shinsearacht duine den sloinne seo gan ghinealach ceart. Tá sé seo fíor faoi an-cuid sloinnte.
 the Cromie page lists varaitions found
Cromey   9
Cromie   97
Crommie   15
Crummey   5
Crummie   9
Crummy   16
Recorded variants listed in other sources.
- Click here for all sources.
- Click on a name for its sources.
SURNAME
Ó Cromtha
Crombey
Crombie
Cromby
Cromee
Crumbey
Crumby
Crumey
Crumie
Crumy
O Cromy

So as you go back in time keep an open mind on spelling once you are sure you are in the that line.
Bally...G

[garycrombie]

Thank you very much for the reply and information,...you have given me heaps to work with and try and get my head around. Still relatively new to researching my family tree none the less extremely grateful for your help. I have already noticed the variations in spelling etc as I have a Scottish census with Thomas Cromie living 2 doors down from his son James Crombie,...in the previous census both were Cromie.

Kind regards
Gary Crombie

[mattfrombann]

There were Cromies still living in the area in 1960s - I went to school (Banbridge Academy) with an Anne and a Ruth (that I can remember) and there were others. Enquiries to  local newspapers (eg Banbridge Chronicle and Banbridge Leader) might find some with memories