Author Topic: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury  (Read 877 times)

Offline lucymags

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I've been chasing the female line up this branch (most of them Sarahs!), but seem to be stumped with this Frances' maiden name.

The baptism record of their child, Sarah, at Harbury in 1739 is here: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMFF-LWP : accessed 18 March 2016), Frances in entry for Sarah Mumford, 02 Dec 1739; citing HARBURY,WARWICK,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 554,797.

- but the marriage record has been transcribed incorrectly as "John Munford" and "Sarah Harbury", which you can see if you look closely (record only available when logged in - free; bottom left page): "England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1535-1984," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VHXZ-T7N : accessed 18 March 2016), John Munford and Frances Harbury, 16 Nov 1738, Marriage; citing Ladbrooke, Warwickshire, England, Record Office, Warwick; FHL microfilm 549,656.
- have also attached a screenshot of the above.

Wondering if anyone has better eyes than I have, or any other access to these records which might help with her surname?  ???

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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 March 16 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Looks a bit like Haubert / Haubrit ? Why  not search the Ladbroke registers backwards to see if you can find a baptism for Frances with surname beginning H? John Mumford's baptism is shown in Ladbroke so hopefully Frances' will be there. Its a start!

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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 March 16 06:18 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, Shirl. I have tried looking for variations like that on FamilySearch but have come up with nothing in England so far - although there are some Frances Hauberts in the US, but of course none as early as 1720... And now I see some in Germany, hmmm...

Unfortunately I don't have direct access to Ladbroke registers - have to rely on what I can find on FamilySearch.

Mel.

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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 March 16 08:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Anc****y has transcribed the same record as

16 nov 1738 at  Ladbroke
John Mumford and 'James' Haubret

Only other close sounding name in the Harbury records on Anc****y
Anna Harbert
baptised 12 Jan 1705 died 17 Jul 1713
Father Thomas

Jay

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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 March 16 10:43 GMT (UK) »
I think Jay is probably right that the name is Harbert as there are no Hauberts anywhere that I can see.
The NBI is usually a good place to look for odd names & this is what there is for Harbert in Warks.
11 Sep 1662 John HARBERT/Brailes, St George
28 Sep 1703 Richard HARBERT/Brailes, St George
11 Oct 1710 Anne HARBERT/Brailes, St George
21 Sep 1716 William HARBERT/Brailes, St George
17 Mar 1717 John HARBERT/Brailes, St George
15 Oct 1726 William HARBERT/Brailes, St George
25 Nov 1726 Anne HARBERT/Brailes, St George
2 May 1728 John HARBERT   Brailes, St George
25 Sep 1796 Hannah HARBERT/Coventry, St Michael
14 Mar 1780 William HARBERT/Fenny Compton,
10 Jul 1784 Sarah HARBERT?Fenny Compton,
5 Jun 1791 Sarah HARBERT?Fenny Compton,
17 Jan 1807 Mary Reading HARBERT/Fenny Compton,
13 Dec 1704 Henry HARBERT/Harbury, All Saints
13 Feb 1706 Samuel HARBERT/Harbury, All Saints
29 Mar 1709 Dorcas HARBERT/Harbury, All Saints
6 Mar 1710 Mary HARBERT   Harbury, All Saints
31 Aug 1741 Mary HARBERT/Harbury, All Saints
29 Apr 1820 William HARBERT/33/Ladbroke, All Saints
15 Aug 1787 Hannah HARBERT/Monks Kirby, St Edith
16 Jul 1793 Joseph HARBERT/Monks Kirby, St Edith
23 May 1746 Hannah HARBERT/Tredington, St Gregory
17 May 1749 Hannah HARBERT/Tredington, St Gregory
24 Jun 1750 John HARBERT/Tredington, St Gregory
4 Jul 1753 Richard HARBERT/Tredington, St Gregory
17 Apr 1841 John HARBERT/68/Tysoe, St Mary

They all seem to be in the same area of South Warks.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 March 16 12:14 GMT (UK) »
16 nov 1738 at  Ladbroke
John Mumford and 'James' Haubret


Ha ha - I didn't think they allowed gay marriage back in those days!

I think Jay is probably right that the name is Harbert as there are no Hauberts anywhere that I can see.
The NBI is usually a good place to look for odd names & this is what there is for Harbert in Warks.

Thanks both of you - that is very helpful, as I can now see a lot of Harbert christenings on FamilySearch, many in Leamington, with a cluster around Harbury and Lighthorne - so all pretty close. I'm sure you must be right. There is a father Gulielmi Harbert, who sounds foreign... so I will trawl through these records and see if I can find a likely match for "Frances Harbury/James Haubret"!
(It could be tomorrow Oz time - it's getting late down here.  :) )

Mel

[Edit: p.s. Google just revealed to me (including one source from another thread on this site) that Gulielmi is of course a Latin form of William. I should have guessed. Never did Latin but it's not a million miles away from the French Guillaume. Mind you the offspring names such as Elizabetha, Margaretta, Dorcas, etc. are a bit unusual too - and also one branch of the family using "ae" endings, as is Thomae...]

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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 March 16 06:18 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately none of the Harberts match strongly enough to be convincing. The first name (Frances) must be correct, as it is mentioned on the children's baptisms, but the only Frances Harbert was born in Berkshire and that, combined with the fact that the spelling really looks like "Haub..t" is enough to dissaude me from this one. So I guess this will just have to go on the back-burner for now. (Perhaps they eloped and she deliberately changed her name?)
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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 September 17 11:33 BST (UK) »
I'm reviving this thread because I have opened enquiries with the Warwickshire County Council archives, who have made a few other suggestions which I'll be exploring, but also because I came across a record which I cannot access and wondering if someone else might?

The name is Frances Aubert, baptised in Knowle, Warwicks. in 1710. (Although this is some distance away, the timing is about right and there's at least a faint possibility there's a connection.)

[Edit: the record is on F...M.P... and also on A....... - Births, marriages and Deaths.]

[Later edit: I have found the record transcription on FamilySearch here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5G3-4ZR - so this is most likely as much as the other sources give.  This takes me to a few other records via Thomas (as suspected, a French connection), which I'll follow up further tomorrow. So this probably concludes this part of my enquiry for now. It's going to be hard to establish a connection.]

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Re: John Mumford m. Frances Hau??? in Ladbroke, child christened in Harbury
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 September 17 12:37 BST (UK) »
Having continued up the line finding connections to Frances Aubert's parents and siblings, her mother appears to have been a Mary Terrey or (more likely) Terry. I have found various records about her (including a possible death record, surname still Terry), but can anyone tell me if this Mary Aubert is close to the same time period, please?

Warwickshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name:    Mary W Aubert
Warwickshire, England

I cannot seem to find a record for this one on FamilySearch.