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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 10:56 BST (UK) »
Good morning,

This is the parish church, Alness. Certainly not a ruin.

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 11:23 BST (UK) »
Welcome from me as well  :)

The Census record is a transcription only - original image not available. Trying to work out what/where is "Corrimuillick (?)".
I suspect sight of the original on ScotlandsPeople [a pay site, Annie in case you did not know] is the only way of knowing...

ADDED: Is this the old Alness church
http://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk/details/899019
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4 October 2013: External inspection finds the building remains in much the same condition as seen previously. Security fencing is in place and dangerous building notices posted. The building is engulfed in ivy.
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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 13:04 BST (UK) »
The Census record is a transcription only - original image not available. Trying to work out what/where is "Corrimuillick (?)".

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GRAHAM THOMAS
1841
40
071/ 6/ 1
Kincardine (Ross) and Croick
Ross and Cromarty

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 14:16 BST (UK) »
It looks likely that William Graham would have been baptised in the Old Alness Church in 1827.

I only had a quick look, but I couldn't find a date of construction for the new church.

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 14:43 BST (UK) »
A good site for memorial inscriptions,

https://sites.google.com/site/highlandmemorialinscriptions/home

In addition to the Alness kirkyard there is a ruined chapel/burial ground at Nonikiln north of Alness kirk.

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 14:59 BST (UK) »
An excellent resource, thanks for posting it Skoosh. :)

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 16:24 BST (UK) »
The nearest I can find to the 1841 address is Corriemoillie,approx. postcode IV23 2PY,just above/right of the capital "N" on this map:-

http://maps.nls.uk/view/76343818

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 20:40 BST (UK) »
The Census record is a transcription only - original image not available. Trying to work out what/where is "Corrimuillick (?)".

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GRAHAM THOMAS
1841
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071/ 6/ 1
Kincardine (Ross) and Croick
Ross and Cromarty

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Re: Help in locating church ( parish of Alness)
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 21:03 BST (UK) »
Craggan is in Morayshire Scotland :)
There are lots of places all over Scotland called Craggan, and some in Ireland too. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=73078697&page=1 for photographs of some of them.

One that springs to mind is Craggan in the present local authority area of Moray. However this is in fact in the (historical) county of Banff, also known as Banffshire. This is it on an old map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.3730&lon=-3.3541&layers=5&b=1

As the 1862 marriage was registered in Kincardine and Croick, County of Ross and Cromarty, the Craggan referred to must indeed be the one in the parish of Kincardine in that county, because if it had been in a different parish it would have said so. (There are also Kincardines in other counties, as well as a county of Kincardine.)

One thing to bear in mind is that baptisms did not necessarily take place in the church itself. It was not unusual for a baptism ceremony to be performed in the parents' home.

This http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1234671 says that the new Alness parish church was built in 1843. There are other photographs of both the old and the new church here http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=73078974

The Corriemoillie found by Roger can't be the right one because it is in the parish of Contin, which is separated by a range of mountains from the parish of Kincardine. 

However I see from the transcription of the 1841 census at https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl that the family were at Corrimuillie, and the other places listed in the same enumeration district were Corimore, Drumvaich, Luibconich and Croick Manse, which is on the mid-Victorian six-inch map at http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.8856&lon=-4.6057&layers=6&b=1.

This raises the fascinating possibility that the family attended Croick Church rather than going all the way to the Parish Church. See http://www.croickchurch.com/index.htm and http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH4591

I cannot identify all of these places on the map but I think Luibconich must be the one on the old six-inch map called Lubachoinnich http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.9207&lon=-4.6768&layers=5&b=1 which is a few miles up the glen from Croick Church. See also http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH4195.

As for Craggan, I think this could be it http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2045330 and http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.9411&lon=-4.8062&layers=6&b=1 - I think this is in the parish of Kincardine, but I can't check that for certain as I don't have all my one-inch paper maps to hand. What were the names of any other places on the same page in the original census?

Re that 1871 census. Which parish is it in? It's impossible to overstate the importance of knowing the name of the parish, because all the pre-1855 records, and most of the records in the rest of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century were collected by parish. If Dalfaid is in the parish of Creich, this could be it http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=58.0911&lon=-4.7196&layers=6&b=1 and http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NC3914
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