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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 07 April 16 01:10 BST (UK) »
Great to hear from you, Terry!

I don't suppose you are the same Terry who responded to my message on GR??

I noticed that Jack's marriage to Alma (1958) was after the births of the children, but I'm pretty sure they were Jack's as the names match his other 2 known sons born in WA (the given and/or middle names Eric, Joseph & Basset/Baset).

In the meantime I have ordered his parents' marriage certificate and await the pdf by email.

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #19 on: Monday 11 April 16 08:20 BST (UK) »
Do you have this headstone from Billion Graves?

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN *update*
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 14 April 16 00:53 BST (UK) »
Wow thanks for that Terry! :)

I received the 1890 marriage certificate of Joseph HUNTER and Mary DEVELIN by email late yesterday. So disappointed - neither party's parents are named. Nor does it it give their ages.

It does provide Joseph's occupation - plumber.

Witnesses don't appear to be related either - David WALKER & Wm SWAN. Religion: Baptist.

The only clues now are addresses. Wondering if anyone can please check electoral rolls for the period to see who else was living there?

The marriage took place at 35 SMITH STREET SURRY HILLS, SYDNEY.

Mary's address is shown as 35 Smith Street, Sydney so it appears they married at her residence.

Joseph's address is simply BOURKE STREET, SYDNEY (possibly also Surry Hills).

Fingers crossed!

N.B. Mary's surname possilbly DEVLIN, DEVELIN or D'EVELIN.

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 14 April 16 09:49 BST (UK) »
Bump...anyone??  :(


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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #22 on: Friday 15 April 16 07:25 BST (UK) »
No conclusive sighting of Joseph in 1890.
I don't have access to any NSW electoral rolls for that time.  Sands Sydney Directories have at least 2 Joseph HUNTERs, one in Lower Campbell St and one in Waverley.  Neither of them has any occupation listed so who knows whether they are your chap.

However
Sydney and New South Wales, Australia, Sands Street Index,
1890
35 Smith St, John DEVLIN, Grocer

(It's not quite clear whether the suburb is Woolloomooloo or Surry Hills)

List for Bourke St Sydney in 1890 has no mention of anyone with surname HUNTER, however there are pubs and a boarding house close by,

Seems to me that the only way forward with this is to buy the Qld image for the birth of
Margaret Devlin HUNTER born 1893 Qld which should detail places of birth for parents, occupation of father and mother's maiden name. $20

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #23 on: Friday 15 April 16 10:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith

Thanks for your reply! I took your advice and ordered the Qld birth of Maggie. Instant download - love those!  ;D

BINGO! Joseph's birthplace is Young, NSW!

Maggie was born in Cunnamulla 28 July 1893 (had thought it was Gympie).

Father: Joseph HUNTER, manager grazing farm, aged 29 years, born Young NSW.
Mother: Mary HUNTER, formerly DEVLIN, aged 33 years, born Hill End, NSW.
Parties were married 19 May 1890, Sydney NSW (so at least I know that was right!)
Father was informant, his residence looks like 'Elenora' (the farm name?)

Very excited!!!!  :D

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #24 on: Friday 15 April 16 11:08 BST (UK) »
So Joseph is sorted, but Mary remains a mystery.

The John DEVLIN, grocer, at 35 Smith Street in 1890 can't be a coincidence, surely?

I was leaning towards the birth of Mary DEVELIN in 1857 (chr DEVLIN) in Glebe NSW, to John & Mary, as it is close to Surry Hills. But Hill End is nowhere near there (unless historically it was a different one!)

Other possible is in 1858 to John & Catherine but can't see birth reg, only church record, so no place given.

Though age at death (and birth of daughter Maggie) puts her birth c1860 - unless of course she lied about her age to make her closer to young Joseph's age!

EDIT: Found 1858 birth -
1669/1858 DEVELEN / MARY / JOHN / CATHERINE / SYDNEY

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #25 on: Friday 15 April 16 14:09 BST (UK) »
 ;D

1904 - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/106026194
Mr. John Devlin, who died recently in Sydney, was a pioneer business man at Sofala, Lower Turon, Hill End, Tambaroora, Forbes, Grenfell, and other mining rushes. His first home was on Major's Creek, where his wife established a non-sectarian Sunday school. She was once visited by Gardiner, the bushranger, who did not, however, molest her, and only laughed when she threatened him with a rusty old pistol, telling her she was too good and charitable a woman for him to injure.

Woohoo! Got him!

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14642705 - 1904
To everyone who sought to make a home west of the Blue Mountain ranges 50 years ago the State is in some measure indebted. John Devlin, notice of whose death appeared in yesterday's issue of the "Herald," was one of these early pioneers. Born over 80 years ago, in Londonderry, he went when quite a young man to Glasgow, where he married, and in 1849 sailed for Australia. His first home was at Major's Creek, where his wife, with Christian zeal, established a non-sectarian Sunday-school. Later on Mr. Devlin had businesses of various kinds at Sofala, Lower Turon, Hill End, Tambaroora, Forbes, Grenfell, and other digging townships. One of his ventures was to erect a general store at Condobolin, then a township of surveyors' pegs.
The bushranger Gardiner paid a visit to his establishment. Mr. Devlin was away at Bathurst when Gardiner came in, but Mrs. Devlin, when she realised who the visitor was, seized a rusty old pistol, and ordered him out. The bushranger smiled, and told her not to excite herself, as she was too well known as a good, charitable woman for him to rob her. He made a few purchases, and went away. Late in life Mr. Devlin was in business in Sydney, but he failed to achieve success. Three daughters survive him, namely, Mrs. D. H. Walker, well known in connection with rescue work in Sydney; Mrs. W. Swann, wife of a Public school teacher at Parramatta; and Mrs. Hunter, now in Western Australia.

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Re: Brick wall anyone? HUNTER & DEVLIN
« Reply #26 on: Friday 15 April 16 15:24 BST (UK) »
Probably his death Notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14633244
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/163986882

Unfortunately no family mentioned but gives his age as 83 thus b abt 1821.

Possibly John DEVLIN's arrival
From http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchhits.aspx?table=Assisted%20Immigrants&ID=9&query=devlin&frm=0   

Arrived per ship Waverley, 22 December, 1848 to Sydney from Plymouth
John DEVLIN, 26, and wife   
Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 224; Reel 2458, [4/4906]

Passenger list for this ship gives further information
John DEVLIN, 26, blacksmith
Native Place: Londonderry, Donegal
Parents: Patrick and Elizabeth, living in Donegal
Baptist, can read and write, good health, no relations in the colony

The information on the next passenger:
Margaret DEVLIN, 25, house servant,
Native place: Glasgow
Parents: Andrew and Isabella McKIE; father living in Glasgow
Baptist, can read, good health, no relations in the colony.

Margaret is listed as 'wife' on another list. Some coincidences with information already found:
1.  Both give their religion as Baptist which was not common (and was the religion for the marriage of Joseph and Mary in 1890). 
2. Joseph and Mary's daughter was named Margaret - it's common among Scots to name the daughter after a grandmother.  However, I stress these are only possibilities.

There is a death for this Margaret DEVLIN - unfotunately TROVE doesn't have a mention of this death.
NSW 1894 #1072, registered Sydney
Margaret DEVLIN
Parents: Andrew, Isabella   

Arrival of the Waverley with 159 immigrants
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28647905

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