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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 31 March 16 15:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Dolly

This is a link to Robert Bloye's will on ancestry

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hd5/ 

It is very detailed and, as it seems he had no children, there are lots of bequests to family members.  It is also quite clear about relatiionships who is already deceased and shows a second marriage for Mary Laird widow of John Roman who has married a Billing. He was a rear Admiral when he made a codicil to his will.

I have been doing some more digging and I can see baptisms in Portsea for 4 of the children named in William Laird's will.

It is beginning to look like our John Laird was the son named in that will. I expect you have noticed that all the places we know of where events took place are ports.

The London marriage record does not give many clues although both John and Julia were single.  The witnesses do not seem to be family members.

Do you think the older son William is the man who predeceased his father in 1809? The age seems to fit.

I realised after I posted that Saraj Julia did not marry.  I can see her in the censuses up to her death except in 1851.

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 31 March 16 16:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all that extra info Barbara. Sadly I let my Ancestry sub expire, and of course have missed the recent free Easter extravaganza ! I thought I recalled recently a free site for PCC wills, but cant find a reference now.

No worries, your insights would seem to suggest that John is indeed the son of William Laird & Mary Austin.

I agree, the William born 1865 and passing in 1809 would seem to fit.

I recall searching on FreeReg and seeing a Laird (?Benjamin?) burial register entry for Lynn which stated 'Gunner Royal Navy' - so maybe as well as Bakers, the Lairds were seamen !

My cousin had a theory that the Scottish name suddenly appeared in Norfolk about the time that Bonny Prince Charlie's Army retreated north from England - maybe a deserter ? Nice thought haha !

Perhaps John & Julia used 'Bloye' for their daughter's middle name as a tribute to his sister's new name & Husband ? Such practice wasn't always a straightforward carrying-on of a previous Maiden name ..... I am given to understand ?

Not sure how one would pursue that London Marriage or the history of Julia Lloyd ?

Its really great that you have taken such an interest - hope its also helpful to you and your Husband's tree !

Kind Regards, D

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 31 March 16 17:13 BST (UK) »
Robert Bloye hailed from the Kings Lynn area too !  He made post-rank in 1815, and eventually Rear Admiral by seniority in 1846  ...

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/42017.html

Also his wife is described as the Aunt of Henry Laird Cox, a Naval Surveyor ..

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/42018.html

 They were bequeathed to the Museum by a descendant, Isobel Roe, in 1968 with those of the Bloyes (MNT0068, MNT0069, Cox's aunt and naval uncle) and another family portrait (PAG6466).

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #12 on: Friday 01 April 16 00:54 BST (UK) »
"My cousin had a theory that the Scottish name suddenly appeared in Norfolk about the time that Bonny Prince Charlie's Army retreated north from England - maybe a deserter ? Nice thought haha !"

I have read that Queen Victoria made it possible for Scots to come down to England and farm, which is why there have been quite a number of Scots surnames in Essex going back to Queen Victoria's reign, no doubt it applied to other counties.
Concentrating currently on:
Essex: Card, Harris, Stowell, Theobald/Tibbles & Turner.
Norfolk: Beale, Cork & Dalton.
Yorkshire: Oswald Sturdy birth/baptism c1708, Oswald where the devil are you?

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 April 16 10:22 BST (UK) »
I saw those too yesterday Dolly.

When I have a moment I will type out a list of the people named in Robert Bloye's will.  It is annoying that he only referes to "the children of John Laird" and does not name them !

Interesting information findem and worth exploring further .

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 April 16 10:42 BST (UK) »

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"My cousin had a theory that the Scottish name suddenly appeared in Norfolk about the time that Bonny Prince Charlie's Army retreated north from England - maybe a deserter ? Nice thought haha !"

I have read that Queen Victoria made it possible for Scots to come down to England and farm, which is why there have been quite a number of Scots surnames in Essex going back to Queen Victoria's reign, no doubt it applied to other counties.

Didn't know that; but sadly doesn't apply - this name appears in the Kings Lynn area mid 1700's.

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #15 on: Friday 01 April 16 10:46 BST (UK) »
I saw those too yesterday Dolly.

When I have a moment I will type out a list of the people named in Robert Bloye's will.  It is annoying that he only referes to "the children of John Laird" and does not name them !

Interesting information findem and worth exploring further .

Barbara

Look forward to seeing the names Barbara !

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Perhaps John & Julia used 'Bloye' for their daughter's middle name as a tribute to his sister's new name & Husband ? Such practice wasn't always a straightforward carrying-on of a previous Maiden name ..... I am given to understand ?

I have discussed this with my cousin again, and we have recalled other examples - so its the popular option here now - LOL.

So that marriage to a Julia Lloyd is beginning to look very good - given the rarity of the names, it must be a highly probable candidate ... but no idea how to prove it !

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 03 April 16 07:45 BST (UK) »
John Laird age 77 was buried 30 March 1854 at All Saints Kings Lynn of Windsor Road.
His birth date would be 1777.

There is also a John Laird age 54 buried 7 August 1863 of Union Street, accidentally killed by the Lynn Hunstanton Railway on 3 August 1863. This unfortunate event probably made the papers and may give relatives names.

Also Susanna Laird age 54 died 27 August 1863 of injuries caused by Hunstanton railway accident 3 August 1863.

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There is a copy of the newspaper report headline Hunstanton Line Crash 1863

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Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 03 April 16 09:17 BST (UK) »
William Laird who died 1813 names his five children:
William Laird, Mary wife of John Roman, Sarah wife of Robert Bloye, Elizabeth wife of William Cox, John Laird.