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Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« on: Friday 01 April 16 22:58 BST (UK) »
Looking to attach basic BMD records to James Atkins (abt 1831 Morpeth or Mitford); wife Ann or Annie (abt 1835 Allendale).       Marriage place & date ?                 Children:
Edward (abt 1864) John (1866) Isabella (abt 1868) William (abt 1870) Ann or Annie (abt 1873) and James (abt 1875).
They lived at Broomhope Cottage and several initially worked at the Gun Proving Grounds.
This is a distant branch of our Tree - but I like to get the records as accurate as possible! This family has proved to be difficult to pin down.  Hopefully, with help, I will connect these people with Ann Isabel (or Annie Isabella) Atkins, daughter of the above Edward Atkins, who eventually lived in Manitoba, Canada from the early 1920s on.
Hopefully, Janice

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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 April 16 09:12 BST (UK) »
It's useful if you include census references so we can find them  :)

They are at RG 10 / 5159 / 43 / 29 in 1871, and RG 11 / 5112 / 37 / 15 in 1881.
Living at Broomhope Stables, Chollerton (Bellingham Registration District).

If you look on freeBMD you will find that the births of William, Isabella, Ann and James are all registered (in Bellingham Registration District) under the surname Robson, with the middle name Atkin/Atkins

John Atkins, who the census shows born Newcastle upon Tyne c. 1866, also seems to have been registered in the same way, i.e. John Atkin Robson, 1 1865, Newcastle upon Tyne 10b, 3.
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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 April 16 11:55 BST (UK) »
John Atkins, who the census shows born Newcastle upon Tyne c. 1866, also seems to have been registered in the same way, i.e. John Atkin Robson, 1 1865, Newcastle upon Tyne 10b, 3.

This looks like his baptism https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6VH-LJ8

The film number given on the record indicates that the baptism was at Longbenton.

There is clearly a lot of name-changing going on here  ::)

Might this be James in 1861? Occupation and birthplace tie up  :-\

RG 9 / 3808 / 85 / 14
in the household of John Jewitt, Rowlands Gill, County Durham
James Robinson, lodger, unm, 30, Ostler, Northumberland, Morpeth.

(haven't checked that one to later censuses yet).



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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 April 16 22:42 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to those who replied so promptly!  No wonder I was having trouble finding BMDs! If, as I suspect, the Atkins connect to another part of my family, it seems to be a family trait - using more than one surname and exchanging them at will! And a lot to do with which side of the marriage date the children appeared!

This is, of course, half the charm of Genealogy - you never know when the next surprise will pop up!

Thanks again - I will see where this information leads me. I may be back with you if I get stuck again!

Janice



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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 April 16 22:26 BST (UK) »
I am back!   Still puzzled by the Surnames used for this Atkins or Robson family.  I am hoping there is someone who is connected to them and perhaps has solved the puzzle and has some explanation for the odd registrations. www.freeBMD has some but they don't always match www.findmypast, for instance!
I have looked for Atkin(s)-Robson marriages but no luck there. So who was Ann, wife of James Atkins??  There was once an Ann Booth Robson but I can't fit her into the Atkins group. And there is an Ann Green, who might be the one.
I feel there is a story here but all I really want is to confirm the BMD.
I am winding up my Tree research and just need to tidy up some loose ends.
Janice

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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 18:26 GMT (UK) »

hi there Janice,

I'm not sure if these two somehow fit together in your search but it is the end of the search i can find for the two of them in grates cove ,Newfoundland. and as i was looking around i found this link. i am in Ontario,Canada and my great uncle had researched some genealogy,i always browsed a bit.however it could be that James Atkins and Ann Martin were my great great great great grandparents on my dads side, i have everyone underneath them down to me but once i get to the pair i dint have a birth or death date for either one and our origins went back to England at some point. if it is them a child by the name Eliza Anne Atkins would have resulted and then married my direct great great great grandad Joseph Benson of Grates cove,Newfoundland. it could be the reason there was family in Alberta for the other lady questioning , ill have to look more in to . if u have any more info id love to hear it!

My name is also Janice,lol

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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Not writ in stone, by any means, but its not unusual for a birth to be registered, when the parents for whatever reason are not married, with the father's surname as a middle name.
IF this is the case I would say that the Robson was the mother's name and to give the children their father's name it  was registered with the father's surname as a middle name and then used as the surname form there on.
I have an instance on my tree where this happened, the lady left her (nasty piece of work) husband and lived with another man , declaring themselves on census returns etc as 'husband and wife". Many years later when nasty hubby died, they breathed a sigh of relief and nipped to a registry office and made the union legal.
it could have been the same for either party, not necessarily the woman, but the man could have entered into a marriage that was so unhappy he left.

Remember that back in those days divorce was not an option for the everyday folk, you had to be quite rich (and extremely thick skinned) to go through that process.
It may not be the case for your scenario, but its something to stick into the 'possibilities' box.

Boo

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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 02:32 GMT (UK) »
The Atkins/Robson confusion would appear to relate to James Atkins himself.

Now that the GRO's own index shows mothers maiden name for children I've just checked and the children of James and Ann were indeed registered as Robson with Atkins shown as a middle name BUT their mothers maiden name was Parker.

I then looked for a marriage for Ann Parker to a James Atkins - zilch.   So, then I tried James Robson and bingo!   James Robson 32 married Ann Parker 29 on 31st October 1864, Gateshead.  It's only a transcript so can't confirm James' status (single or widower) but clearly Ann was a spinster.   Whilst I found the entry on FindMyPast it's also on familysearch with the same details I've quoted.   The ages given on the marriage entry tie in with their ages on census so feel sure that this is them.

So, for whatever reason, James married as James Robson to Ann Parker, their children all registered as Robson but with a middle name of Atkins and on census after the marriage James Robson has become James Atkins.

Possible that James Robson could have been illegitimate but his mother later married his father Mr. Atkins but that is only conjecture on my part.   I found James on 1851 census and he was James Robson then and a lodger in Winlaton, Durham (born Morpeth).

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Re: Atkins Family in or near Bellingham late 1800s
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 02:51 GMT (UK) »
A Julia Robson married a James Atkins 18th November 1832, Newcastle upon Tyne.

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